Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15:
He was third on the team in targets, so again - let's not blame Fields for his progressions.
Hell, he had more targets than OUR WR who was 3rd on the team in targets.
Ironically, their numbers (including the piss poor catch rate) were almost identical.
Y'all are advocating for spending $10M on Justin Watson.
Mooney had one of the worst success rates in the league this year. I can't claim to know why that's the case, but you can't just hand-waive it either. His drop-off in production has been SEVERE. And he was getting looks.
Now maybe Fields just sucked, but that's going to require a lot more in-depth look than I'm willing to give it unless/until we sign the guy. And it's the kind of look I suspect Veach has been giving it for some number of weeks.
Mooney might be awful but I also think it will jump out on tape whether or not he truly was. This feels like it should be a pretty easy analysis to do and I think I'll probably defer to the team on this one.
I was happy to pound the table for Gabe Davis (at maybe 60% of what he ended up getting though). I'm not gonna do that for Mooney. I think I have a better feel for Davis - good and bad - than I have for Mooney. But a fair bit. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
Mooney had one of the worst success rates in the league this year. I can't claim to know why that's the case, but you can't just hand-waive it either. His drop-off in production has been SEVERE. And he was getting looks.
Now maybe Fields just sucked, but that's going to require a lot more in-depth look than I'm willing to give it unless/until we sign the guy. And it's the kind of look I suspect Veach has been giving it for some number of weeks.
Mooney might be awful but I also think it will jump out on tape whether or not he truly was. This feels like it should be a pretty easy analysis to do and I think I'll probably defer to the team on this one.
I was happy to pound the table for Gabe Davis (at maybe 60% of what he ended up getting though). I'm not gonna do that for Mooney. I think I have a better feel for Davis - good and bad - than I have for Mooney. But a fair bit.
It's the catch rate that scares me. You can't blame all of that on Fields. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Mosbonian:
Trying to keep Shad Kahn from firing another GM and Coach....
Lawrence needs to take a step forward or else he is going to get the Herbert/Allen/Tua treatment....
If I was Ridley and for that matter....Evan Engram....I would look for a way out.
The fact that they signed Mitch Morse to be their center tells you where their mind is.
I'm not sure he's even earned the Herbert/Allen/Tua treatment to this point.
Lawrence didn't advance this year at ALL. He was essentially the same guy he was in 2022 without Ridley. 2023 was a big season for him and one where he really should've taken a leap forward into that Herbert/Allen tier in the AFC. Instead he appears to have just been passed by CJ Stroud.
If Lawrence DOES take a step forward, you can start talking about him in the same conversations as Allen/Tua/Herbert. If he doesn't...shit, he's just an average to slightly above average NFL quarterback. He has to start showing improvement. Guy left 2 and maybe 3 scores on the field against us last year. He wasn't good. And he wasn't much better most of the year.
He's nearing JAG territory. Not a bust, necessarily, but certainly a disappointment. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
Mooney had one of the worst success rates in the league this year. I can't claim to know why that's the case, but you can't just hand-waive it either. His drop-off in production has been SEVERE. And he was getting looks.
Now maybe Fields just sucked, but that's going to require a lot more in-depth look than I'm willing to give it unless/until we sign the guy. And it's the kind of look I suspect Veach has been giving it for some number of weeks.
Mooney might be awful but I also think it will jump out on tape whether or not he truly was. This feels like it should be a pretty easy analysis to do and I think I'll probably defer to the team on this one.
I was happy to pound the table for Gabe Davis (at maybe 60% of what he ended up getting though). I'm not gonna do that for Mooney. I think I have a better feel for Davis - good and bad - than I have for Mooney. But a fair bit.
Barring a last minute, complete breakdown in negotiations, Brian Burns will be a New York Giant, per source. I’ll update after proposed compensation is confirmed.
