Post here. Pertinent free agent signings can still have their own thread. Anyone who replies with a Q, because something is buried in this thread should blah blah AIDS tree. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Hoover:
Draft capital used by the Chiefs on the online:
1st Overall pick in 2013 - Eric Fisher
200th overall pick in 2014 - LDT
2016th overall pick in 2019 - Allegretti (Depth)
You are a fool if you think the Chiefs can continue to get by doing this. Fisher and Schwartz are good, they have two years remaining on their contracts. I don't think you really want to be giving those guys big contracts after 2021. So you MUST start planning to rebuild the offensive line sooner rather than later. Those two our our best linemen by far. Face it, the rest are scrubs.
At a minimum you have to draft an offensive linemen in the first three rounds this year. I mean I really don't think there is a choice not to. And you better fucking hit on the pick. And then you are probably using earlier picks the following year to continue to build out the line. On top of all that you need to be looking at a free agent to come in and jump start the rebuild.
The Chiefs are not in a bad spot, they just have to realize that now is the time they have to start addressing the line. This is why I've always been of the mindset that they should draft an offensive linemen in rounds three or four every year. You start 5 of these guys every year, they are always getting dinged up. Free agents are expensive. Best to just build a pipeline.
Go look at the LB position..its worse than that. [Reply]
Just did one of those mock sites here was my first result of picking...
32: R1P32
CB TREVON DIGGS
ALABAMA
63: R2P31
S JEREMY CHINN
SOUTHERN ILLINOIS
96: R3P32
LB WILLIE GAY JR.
MISSISSIPPI STATE
138: R4P32
RB ANTHONY MCFARLAND
MARYLAND
177: R5P31
G JON RUNYAN
MICHIGAN [Reply]
Yeah, the Chiefs need to draft an OL guy this year at some point. But they shouldn't aim for being the Cowboys. Nobody should aim for being the Cowboys. What the Cowboys did was just fucking stupid. They wanted an OL for the future, but spending multiple first round picks spread out over multiple years just means you're going to have to pay top money for your interior guys, and that's AFTER you burned a 1st on them. It's impractical to pay top dollar for that many positions on the offensive line.
And look at them now. They've changed out guards multiple times, and their center just retired. That push of multiple 1st rounders lasted them what? 5 or 6 years before it all went to shit? And that's even after they stole La'el Collins with an UDFA contract.
Also, I've said this for years, but to me it's more concerning that the Chiefs haven't spent a single draft pick on an OT since Eric Fisher. All of our swing tackles have been guards that we kick outside.
Now THAT'S playing with fire. I really hope the Cam Erving at LT experiment taught Reid a lesson. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Hoover:
Draft capital used by the Chiefs on the online:
1st Overall pick in 2013 - Eric Fisher
200th overall pick in 2014 - LDT
2016th overall pick in 2019 - Allegretti (Depth)
You are a fool if you think the Chiefs can continue to get by doing this. Fisher and Schwartz are good, they have two years remaining on their contracts. I don't think you really want to be giving those guys big contracts after 2021. So you MUST start planning to rebuild the offensive line sooner rather than later. Those two our our best linemen by far. Face it, the rest are scrubs.
At a minimum you have to draft an offensive linemen in the first three rounds this year. I mean I really don't think there is a choice not to. And you better ****ing hit on the pick. And then you are probably using earlier picks the following year to continue to build out the line. On top of all that you need to be looking at a free agent to come in and jump start the rebuild.
The Chiefs are not in a bad spot, they just have to realize that now is the time they have to start addressing the line. This is why I've always been of the mindset that they should draft an offensive linemen in rounds three or four every year. You start 5 of these guys every year, they are always getting dinged up. Free agents are expensive. Best to just build a pipeline.
Fun fact: Andy has drafted a lineman in the first 3 rds every year he’s been here. Last year was the first time he didn’t draft one in the firsts 2 rds, but he traded our 1st for Frank.
Andy is absolutely drafting an OL early this year. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Hoover:
I don't disagree. Never understood why this team never values LBs
Well a lot of it is because we just switched from 3-4 to 4-3 in the 3-4 we had a bunch of money in LBs they were just the guys who don't play LB in this scheme. [Reply]
Originally Posted by RunKC:
Fun fact: Andy has drafted a lineman in the first 3 rds every year he’s been here. Last year was the first time he didn’t draft one in the firsts 2 rds, but he traded our 1st for Frank.
Andy is absolutely drafting an OL early this year.
Originally Posted by RunKC:
Fun fact: Andy has drafted a lineman in the first 3 rds every year he’s been here. Last year was the first time he didn’t draft one in the firsts 2 rds, but he traded our 1st for Frank.
Andy is absolutely drafting an OL early this year.
Thats simply not true and a little misleading.
2013 Fisher - One overall
2014 Fulton & LDT a pair of 6th rounders
2015 Morse - 2nd round
2016 Ehinger, year our third player picked, but it was a 4th rounder
2017 NONE selected
2018 McKinze BUST PROJECT
2018 Allegretti 7th Rounder.
So for the past five years Andy hasn't invested shit into the offensive line. Like nothing dude. [Reply]
I've read the last few pages and while I agree you can find great positional value in the later rounds I think it would be intelligent to grab a blue chip center or guard early if we can. Mahomes needs to stay upright. If he stays upright we win the game. If we can average 4.5 yards per carry we win the game.
We can have ass at LB and still win the game if the above is true. We'd have to try to use the Freeny/Mathis pass rush defense of the Colts. Get up early, then blitz the fuck out of people. Our DL is fantastic. Our safeties are stellar. Thornhill is going to be the next 'it' safety. Fenton is decent, and if Breeland returns he is decent. [Reply]
Originally Posted by RunKC:
Fun fact: Andy has drafted a lineman in the first 3 rds every year he’s been here. Last year was the first time he didn’t draft one in the firsts 2 rds, but he traded our 1st for Frank.
Andy is absolutely drafting an OL early this year.
Thats simply not true and a little misleading.
2013 Fisher - One overall
2014 Fulton & LDT a pair of 6th rounders
2015 Morse - 2nd round
2016 Ehinger, year our third player picked, but it was a 4th rounder
2017 NONE selected
2018 McKinze BUST PROJECT
2018 Allegretti 7th Rounder.
So for the past five years Andy hasn't invested shit into the offensive line. Like nothing dude.
Originally Posted by Hoover:
Thats simply not true and a little misleading.
2013 Fisher - One overall
2014 Fulton & LDT a pair of 6th rounders
2015 Morse - 2nd round
2016 Ehinger, year our third player picked, but it was a 4th rounder
2017 NONE selected
2018 McKinze BUST PROJECT
2018 Allegretti 7th Rounder.
So for the past five years Andy hasn't invested shit into the offensive line. Like nothing dude.
And they still have a top level offense, you aren't going to be able to invest elite money or picks into every spot, that's the salary cap NFL. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Hoover:
Thats simply not true and a little misleading.
2013 Fisher - One overall
2014 Fulton & LDT a pair of 6th rounders
2015 Morse - 2nd round
2016 Ehinger, year our third player picked, but it was a 4th rounder
2017 NONE selected
2018 McKinze BUST PROJECT
2018 Allegretti 7th Rounder.
So for the past five years Andy hasn't invested shit into the offensive line. Like nothing dude.
I was referring to lineman in general, DL or OL. The point is Andy always loves getting lineman and since we have Jones/Clark up front, I think we’re due to get an OL early. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Mecca:
And they still have a top level offense, you aren't going to be able to invest elite money or picks into every spot, that's the salary cap NFL.
True - but do you think that's the case in two years if no major investment is made to improve the line. Fisher and Schwartz will both be FAs after the 2021 season. Fisher will be 30 and Schwartz 32. [Reply]