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Friendly mod reminder, this thread is about yesterday's shooting. Not about gun control, gun laws, politics, or anything of that nature. If you need everyone to know what's wrong in this world and how you'd fix it, grab your megaphone and soapbox and take it to DC, thanks. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DaFace:
It's tough, though. I think it's safe to conclude that fewer people died that day as a result of Hurley's actions. It's just sad that he himself ended up being one who did.
No doubt. I was just trying to simply bring up that pulling a gun in the situation at the parade might have ended up badly....for multiple people. [Reply]
TL;DR - A gunman in Arvada, CO in 2021 was on a mission to kill cops. He took out one officer and was waiting on more to show up, but a civilian snuck up on him and took him out. The cops showed up, saw a man with a gun, and killed the hero thinking he was the gunman they were looking for. It's a super sad story.
I saw an interview with a guy who was open-carrying at the protests in Dallas in 2016 where an ex-military guy killed 5 cops. The open-carry guy and his buddies wisely dropped their guns and ran because they didn't want to get shot by the cops. [Reply]
Originally Posted by The Franchise:
No doubt. I was just trying to simply bring up that pulling a gun in the situation at the parade might have ended up badly....for multiple people.
At that parade, a concert, anywhere that it is packed. The odds of it going badly for the person who intervenes goes up. There is so many ways for it to go bad for that person and so few ways for it to work out.
I know this might come across as shitty, but it might have been best, in this case, that nobody pulled their carry. In this case, in my opinion, it worked out the best way possible. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Perineum Ripper:
At that parade, a concert, anywhere that it is packed. The odds of it going badly for the person who intervenes goes up. There is so many ways for it to go bad for that person and so few ways for it to work out.
I know this might come across as shitty, but it might have been best, in this case, that nobody pulled their carry. In this case, in my opinion, it worked out the best way possible.
Totally agree. If this perp thought he was being drawn on by CCW, he may have sprayed a hundred people.
The cops and fire that responded were on that shit as quick as possible. About all you can ask from a public safety perspective. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Perineum Ripper:
I thought about that part after I posted, I wasn’t trying to be political. If that part needs to be deleted, I get it. I can definitely see how that part can push it too much
I don’t see anything political about it. You were weighing the pros and cons of the different decisions, and the court of public opinion is certainly something that is a part of the aftermath. [Reply]
TL;DR - A gunman in Arvada, CO in 2021 was on a mission to kill cops. He took out one officer and was waiting on more to show up, but a civilian snuck up on him and took him out. The cops showed up, saw a man with a gun, and killed the hero thinking he was the gunman they were looking for. It's a super sad story.
Originally Posted by Perineum Ripper:
At that parade, a concert, anywhere that it is packed. The odds of it going badly for the person who intervenes goes up. There is so many ways for it to go bad for that person and so few ways for it to work out.
I know this might come across as shitty, but it might have been best, in this case, that nobody pulled their carry. In this case, in my opinion, it worked out the best way possible.
Of course it was best, it wasn't an active shooter trying to mow down hundreds of people, where a concealed carry individual might have been able to intervene and save lives. This act took approximately 3 seconds and then they ran. [Reply]
Originally Posted by TinyEvel:
On semi-automatic guns it extends off the back of the firing chamber and the bolt retracts into it, then a spring force it back forward to load another round. it can be fine-tuned to reduce recoil and smoothen out the action for specific types of ammo. It's usually hidden in the stock, or in some auto pistol type applications it sticks out the back of the gun can look like a boom microphone.
They can come in anodize flashy designs like this kids red one. But if it was sticking out of the backpack it would be easily recognizable by someone familiar with guns and gun parts.
An AR rifle has a stock and a barrel length of 16" or more. An AR pistol will not have a stock (leaving the buffer tube exposed), and have a barrel length of less than 16" (I think a typical lengths are either 8.5" or 11.5"; not exactly sure because I do not, and will never, own one). You can put a stock on an AR pistol, but doing so immediately changes it's designation to a short-barreled rifle, and depending on the state, may immediately make it illegal. I'm not sure what Missouri laws are. Of course, the minute it was altered to fire full auto, it immediately became illegal regardless of the setup. I'll go out on a limb here and assume that this punk didn't have a Class III license. [Reply]