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Nzoner's Game Room>***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***
JakeF 10:28 PM 02-26-2020
A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

Click here for the original OP:

Spoiler!

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TLO 08:39 AM 03-30-2020
Originally Posted by BleedingRed:
thats the thing Medical Professionals are doing their thing. Where is the update from NY's trial?
Today is only day 3 of the trial.
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Gravedigger 08:43 AM 03-30-2020
Originally Posted by BleedingRed:
no developing cancer from a drug in use for 70 years is not possible......
Dosage might be different and longer prone than a Malaria patient. Long stemming effects of a drug taken 5 times a week for three weeks might have worse effects than a drug taken 5 times for one week. We're in uncharted territories, so for you to say there's no way is about as assured as me saying that anything is possible. Only time will tell in this case, but even if it isn't something as dire as cancer, other side effects could be as debilitating.
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Titty Meat 08:45 AM 03-30-2020
Have we established any sort of reasoning why out CFR for this thing isn1 of the lowest in the world?
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Kidd Lex 08:48 AM 03-30-2020
Because these are known drugs that are safe for most people, if this works as well as advertised we will know by this time next week. The clinical trials won’t be done or published, but the early returns will be obvious as the claims are patient improvements in 4-6 hours. I like that there is science for why these would work, but remain cautiously optimistic because the clinical trials to date are flawed and the work of one family practitioner is anecdotal, and not anything close to definitive enough to roll out everywhere.

If these drugs work as advertised the only people this won’t help are ones with pre-existing arrhythmia issues and or allergies to these drugs. Let’s hope this isn’t much to do about nothing.
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Mecca 08:59 AM 03-30-2020
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
What?

They haven't even tested 100K people yet, from any available data I can see.
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/least...142714139.html

That was what I saw.
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Hammock Parties 09:00 AM 03-30-2020
Originally Posted by Donger:
Professionals like Dr. Vladimir Zelenko!

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Titty Meat 09:04 AM 03-30-2020
Originally Posted by Hammock Parties:
:-)
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BleedingRed 09:07 AM 03-30-2020
Originally Posted by Titty Meat:
:-)
Hey man lets not make fun of religious culture........ No matter how funny it might seem
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Hammock Parties 09:11 AM 03-30-2020
Can we nominate Zelenko for the Nobel Prize in Medicine when this is all said and done?
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mr. tegu 09:11 AM 03-30-2020
Originally Posted by F150:
SPRINGFIELD, Ill (NEXSTAR) — Hospitals across the state are lacking proper equipment to deal with the Coronavirus.

Personal protective equipment and ventilators are few and far between. But the University of Illinois College of Engineering might have a breakthrough that could fix the problem.

They are calling it their Apollo 13 moment. A new emergency ventilator prototype that could soon be in hospitals across the state.

“This is a device that could be rapidly deployed,” Bill King, a University of Illinois engineering professor on the project said. “It is a simple device. It’s suitable for emergency situations where a regular hospital ventilator is not available.”

A team of 40 University of Illinois professors and medical professionals and physicians from Carle Hospital did what they thought was impossible.

They were able to build an emergency ventilator in just a week.

The prototype works very well,” King said. “So far it has run for 75 hours straight, and more than 125 thousand breathing cycles. It is staggering what this group of individuals has been able to do.”

The team has only been working on the product for a couple of weeks, but if all goes as planned, the emergency ventilator could be mass-produced sooner rather than later. All it needs now is FDA approval.

The IMA is now working with the University of Illinois and some of our medical device manufacturers to see if this can be produced in Illinois and be used in hospitals across Illinois and across the United States,” Mark Denzler, President of the Illinois Manufacturers Association said.

The University is partnered with the Illinois Manufacturers Association.

Factories across Illinois are already committed to building the supplies to keep hospitals running, and if that happens, it could change the game for hospitals moving forward against COVID-19.

“At that moment where we all saw it worked, it was such a moment of joy and excitement and shared experience for our team,” King said. “It was really amazing.”

The group now will take the prototype to clinical trials.

If it makes it through clinical trials, then it can get FDA approval and be ready for production.

This is great but it sounds like another one of these things we’ve been hearing about that won’t be available any time soon to help when the need is highest which is apparently in these next few weeks.
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WhawhaWhat 09:14 AM 03-30-2020

A brief example of the layers of clothing and gear doctors and nurses are using to protect themselves every single day from the Coronavirus. Simply heroic.

Humanity.❤️������❤️pic.twitter.com/rdFhXhxP0k

— Rex Chapman���� (@RexChapman) March 30, 2020

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SupDock 09:17 AM 03-30-2020
Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins:
First, you'd need to be able to establish a reduction in viral load to an improvement in outcomes. There are tons of drugs that lead to improvements in clinical measurements but do not improve morbidity or mortality.

In heart failure with reduced ejection fraction there are three beta-blockers with evidence demonstrating a mortality benefit: metoprolol, carvedilol, and bisoprolol. Sure, other beta-blockers will reduce BP, but BP reduction is not itself always clinically significant, nor is the reduction in BP where the mortality benefit is derived from.

You guys really need to leave this to the professionals, because you're arguing about metrics that you don't understand and it is both harmful and incredibly arrogant.
Exactly. Look at Niacin.
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Boise_Chief 09:18 AM 03-30-2020
That looks miserable.
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BleedingRed 09:22 AM 03-30-2020
The United States has test 700,000 people in 10 Days..... We are lapping other countries in testing.
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Lprechaun 09:24 AM 03-30-2020
One of the jobs I had to shut down was installing crown and building some cabinetry for a doctor at the local hospital.
This morning was the day we had planned to get back on it... he called almost in tears saying the hospital is almost at a breaking point. Some of the doctors and nurses dont think they can cope with it, some questioning their ability to hang on to little strength they have left.
I have the strength to work in dangerous situations and in situations some shouldnt or wouldnt.... I could never be in the medical field.
I told him us that arent are truly grateful for their sacrifices, he has isolated himself from his wife and young daughter and even his dog who sits and stares at him thru windows in another part of their house.
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