Originally Posted by mac459:
So you want to say people have to count playoffs, even though Tony was on shit teams and couldn’t make it. Then turn around and say people can’t hold Gronk and his shit durability against him.
Please lay out your rules for what counts and doesn’t count. So that we may all debate in this conversation with your rules.
Not going to argue whatever Robert Weathers is arguing, but in my view peak Gronk was the best TE there ever was. That combines not only his ridiculous pass-catching capabilities, his clutch performances in high-pressure situations, his ultra-elite end zone capabilities, as well as his terrific blocking capabilities which created matchup nightmares for defenses to deal with.
If you wanted to build a team to win one game, I'd have Gronk as my starting TE on that team.
If you're going to have me draft a TE and get an entire career out of him...well, I'm definitely going to have to think long and hard about whether I want Gronk, mostly, over 9 years, or 17 years or whatever of Tony G. That is, after all, a helluva lot longer. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare:
So you would know he had to work with outside of Trent Green Tony had to work with Grbac, Damon Huard, Tyler Thigpen, Brodie Croyle when Gonzalez was playing in KC.
While Gronkowski had Brady for his whole career
I'm not buying the lesser QB argument. The numbers really don't prove your point.
TGon pretty much had the same per game numbers with Matt Ryan as he did with the assortment of KC QBs he played with. Remember your offense was hell on wheels when Green and Vermeil where there and TGon put up monster numbers. It wasn't like he had Tyler Thigpen, Coyle and Huard his entire career and when he did he still had a 90 catch 1000yd seasons which were pretty much average Gronk/Brady seasons.
Are you saying Gronk would not be in the GOAT discussion if he played in KC and ATL with other QBs not named Brady? [Reply]
Originally Posted by Red Dawg:
Gronk did a shit ton for Brady. Brady just threw up many jumpers and Gronk got them.
Any good qb will force the ball to his best playmaker and get him earn his money.
I think gronk is the most lethal tightened to ever play. He avg like 9.9 yards a reception. He was a first down machine. He was clutch in third down...I read somewhere he was more efficient than most WRs. He helped make Pat's an elite rushing team when it matters...see Superbowl. A healthy gronk may be the best weapon we've seen since like rice [Reply]
Originally Posted by RobertWeathers:
Not really. If he was a 40 catch 500yd TD with Brodie Coyle and then a 100/1100yd TE with Brady then your argument could be proven.
He had the same QB for 5 years in ATL and a dozen in KC and had the same per game numbers.
If you are great at your job, coaches will get you the ball. That happened with TGon.
I'm speaking of 12 years in KC during his prime, since Gronk played 9 years afterall
essentially, you're saying you never followed Tony's career since you're going on sheer numbers and not continuity or issues of toxic environments [Reply]
Originally Posted by Sorry:
Any good qb will force the ball to his best playmaker and get him earn his money.
I think gronk is the most lethal tightened to ever play. He avg like 9.9 yards a reception. He was a first down machine. He was clutch in third down...I read somewhere he was more efficient than most WRs. He helped make Pat's an elite rushing team when it matters...see Superbowl. A healthy gronk may be the best weapon we've seen since like rice
Yes. He averaged more ypc than Jerry Rice. [Reply]
