Originally Posted by WhiteWhale:
Again, Ronnie is/was very talented.
It's just that I find what he does annoying. It's the pitch of his voice... that whole style of singing. I can't stand it. I know it's hard and I know they're hitting high notes and their voice is an instrument and part of the arrangement. It's simply that it annoys the ever lovin' hell out of me. :-)
To the guys in Sabbath (except Geezer) simply wanted a better singer than Ozzy. He was, for the most part, uninvolved in the entire process. I mean Geezer wrote the lyrics. Ozzie just did the vocal melodies. Ozzie had no input on the song structure or arrangement, whereas Ronnie did.
Ronnie was far more talented than Ozzy, but even knowing that his voice is still annoying as hell to me.
Ronnie's voice is annoying but Ozzy's isn't? I find that strange. [Reply]
Never a fan of Pantera, saw them from the beginning and thought they blew chunks. I still remember getting Master of puppets on my 16th birthday and i was totally blown away...that was the start of "Speed Metal". Peace Sells was a great album as well, but i have invested so much time into Master of puppets...it's easily one of the best albums of all time. I don't listen to any of it much anymore, i'm more into Euro Techno Industrial still(stuck on that for a while) but I remember the early days of speed metal...Exodus...Exciter....Metallica...Slayer...Agent Steel...I bought so many cassettes and Cd's back in the day...takes me back even though i've progressed beyond the Metal stage at this point. [Reply]
Speaking of Ozzy's vocals, does anyone else hear a loss of range on "13"? To me Ozzy is starting to get the same thing that happened to Dio over his last few recordings, where his singing sounds muted or something.
I still like "13"; it just makes me sad. :-) [Reply]
Originally Posted by Frosty:
Speaking of Ozzy's vocals, does anyone else hear a loss of range on "13"? To me Ozzy is starting to get the same thing that happened to Dio over his last few recordings, where his singing sounds muted or something.
It's to be expected. Guys lose their higher registers when they get older, unless they're actually trained to sing. Those guys can often hold onto it longer. [Reply]
Originally Posted by htismaqe:
It's to be expected. Guys lose their higher registers when they get older, unless they're actually trained to sing. Those guys can often hold onto it longer.
Yeah, I know. It just sucks when you start to hear it. Ozzy is 65 so he has actually held up pretty well, all things considered. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Frosty:
Yeah, I know. It just sucks when you start to hear it. Ozzy is 65 so he has actually held up pretty well, all things considered.
Originally Posted by Frosty:
Speaking of Ozzy's vocals, does anyone else hear a loss of range on "13"? To me Ozzy is starting to get the same thing that happened to Dio over his last few recordings, where his singing sounds muted or something.
Saw Ozzy a couple of years ago when Slash and Miles Kennedy opened for him (They kicked ass, btw. That would have been a hell of a concert in and of itself). I swear Ozzy was auto tuned in every single song. Was sad to hear. [Reply]
It's funny. I was really into metal/hard rock/classic rock in high school up through the mid-80's. I wasn't a huge Black Sabbath fan until Dio joined but loved Ozzy's first two albums and saw him for both the "Speak of the Devil" tour and the "Bark at the Moon" tour. I was also really into a lot of the NWOBHM bands, particularly the "goth-y" ones like Holocaust, Demon and Angel Witch.
By the mid-80's, about the time "ultimate Sin" comes out, I drifted away from metal as I was getting bored with the direction it was going. In fact, one of the last records I bought was "Kill 'Em All" by some unknown band.
Fast forward way too many years and my oldest son finds my old metal and classic rock records. He becomes a huge Zeppelin, Sabbath, Ozzy and Metallica fan and buys up all of the stuff that I didn't have.
It was kind of a crash course in getting caught up. I was so out of the loop that I hadn't realized that Dio had made a third Sabbath album (not counting as Heaven and Hell) and I hadn't heard any of the later Ozzy or Metallica albums.
Anyway, the point of all of that was that I haven't really cared or even heard about the more recent controversies and mostly I have looked at this through nostalgia so it really doesn't matter to me.
Just to stick with the OP, none of really liked Megadeth, mostly because of the singing. :-) [Reply]
Originally Posted by htismaqe:
Dehumanizer is a great album.
Yeah, it's pretty good. I will have to say "Heaven and Hell" and "Mob Rules" are still my favorites, though that's probably still nostalgia talking. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Frosty:
Yeah, it's pretty good. I will have to say "Heaven and Hell" and "Mob Rules" are still my favorites, though that's probably still nostalgia talking.
I TOTALLY agree.
I'm Mr. Nostalgia when it comes to music. I love "Dehumanizer" but it's just not even in the same zip code as those 2.
"Sign of the Southern Cross" is still one of the heaviest songs I've ever heard (even though we both know it's not) and "Children of the Sea" is my all time favorite.
The core of my collection is Sabbath (both versions), Dio, Ozzy, Scorpions (70's lineup with Uli Jon Roth), Motorhead, UFO, and Judas Priest. [Reply]
I'm Mr. Nostalgia when it comes to music. I love "Dehumanizer" but it's just not even in the same zip code as those 2.
"Sign of the Southern Cross" is still one of the heaviest songs I've ever heard (even though we both know it's not) and "Children of the Sea" is my all time favorite.
The only thing that prevents "Heaven and Hell" from being the perfect metal album is "Lonely Is the Word", which I don't particularly care for.
Originally Posted by htismaqe:
The core of my collection is Sabbath (both versions), Dio, Ozzy, Scorpions (70's lineup with Uli Jon Roth), Motorhead, UFO, and Judas Priest.
I'm with you on most of those. We've talked about it before but I'm not as high on the Dio solo stuff as you, particularly the later albums. I was a huge Rainbow fan, though.
I like "Lights Out" but have never owned any UFO albums (I did see the Michael Schenker Group in concert, does that count?).
I can't agree at all about Judas Priest, though. It's funny - I had "Hell Bent for Leather" in high school and loved that album but I have never liked anything else they did. I had a friend that was a huge Priest fan and he kept trying to convert me - even drug me along to the see them on their "Screaming for Vengeance" tour - and I just never particularly cared for them. [Reply]
