I disagree 100% - Abrams just got lazy.

A creative screenwriter could have created a believable plot, with Kylo as the bad guy, eventually feeling conflicted because of Leia's death, and unable to control the monster of the First Order he had created.

You already have the setup there with Hux hating Kylo and wanting him out.

First Order turns on Kylo, he turns back to the lightside, teams with up with Rey and sacrifices himself for the good of the galaxy, since he's basically unredeemable anyway (audience would never buy it).

In the hands of a competent writer you can spin that into a satisfying ending.

Unfortunately it was in the hands of Jar Jar fucking Abrams, who gave us PALPS BACK NO EXPLANATION AND LOL THEIR FLEET COULDN'T TAKE OFF IN TIME
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its confusing as all hell. For two years or more people wanted to know who Reye’s parents were.

Kylo says they were nobodies

Pallantine says Rey is the daughter of his son. Definitely not a nobody even if he rejected Dad. Even if it was a clone or DNA splicing/experminting thing, Rey still has to have female DNA to exist as a human being.

We deserved to know at the end. Ohhhh well we will just let her call herself a Skywalker and be done with this question?
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TLJ was a fine movie on the whole. It was Disney giving in to the vocal minority of critics of TLJ that led to TROS and its absurd plot.

The fact that they did that only gives those people more power too, so I'd imagine this won't be the last property that Disney will destroy.
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Kylo explained it, actually - her parents worked at being nobodies so they wouldn't be recognized as Palpatine's family.
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I'm going to have to see it again to get a better feel on how I feel about it. Right now it felt like a rushed fan service mess.
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they may have been in hiding as nobodies. But Kylie would have known its Palestine’s son. Maybe the son married a nobody. But..... no way, no how can any reasonable person say Rey’s parents are nobodies when one is the son and heir to the emperor.
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Yes, it's very stupid.

Try not to think about it too much.
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There were so many different ways to go with Rey’s heritage, whether she was a Skywalker or even a Kenobi but a Palpatine? It makes zero sense.

We have plans to see it again this week and maybe I’ll be able to enjoy it more on a second viewing but I don’t think that the choices JJ made will ever be justified.

Ultimately, the Skywalker story ended with Return of the Jedi, not with RoS.
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The idea of Kylo being turned on by the First Order actually quite appeals to me in a "Napoleon exiled to Elba" sort of way.

And yes, he's super powerful, but surround him with 50 stormtroopers and a bunch of Walkers and it would be entirely believable.

Far more believable than LOL HEY ITS PALPS FOR NO REASON
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I was bummed they didn’t bring Mace Windu and Count Dooku back too.

I mean, why not, right?
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While I didn't like Palpatine being brought back either, I don't think Kylo as the bad guy would have worked. There's no sense of danger from Kylo as Rey had beaten him before she ever trained. Now after having time to train we're somehow supposed to feel a sense of danger when she goes to fight someone she's already beaten.

That basic plot would have worked well. (and honestly that's pretty close to the plot we got, Kylo turned back to fight the Final Order monster he created by joining with Palpatine) The problem is there has to be someone left to fight that provides some sense of danger against Rey & Ben, who have been shown to both be very powerful force users. Snoke would have worked well, but Rian Johnson took care of that. JJ could have set Kylo up better by not having him defeated by someone who'd never used a lightsaber, so he's not blameless either. But the plot specifically with Kylo turning requires there to be a threat for them to face together that doesn't feel like a forgone conclusion.

There were no characters that feel like they could reasonably fight Rey & Ben. Hux was painted as completely ineffectual, allowing Poe to stall him leading to a dreadnought being destroyed & the rebels to escape on their low speed chase in the first place. Now we're supposed to feel danger from him leading the First Order? So you're left with bringing back an existing character like Palpatine or create a new big bad and somehow establish them as a threat and be destroyed all in one movie.

I really wonder what Rian Johnson had planned as a 3rd film after TLJ. Where he left off with TLJ definitely left whoever directed episode IX in a difficult position. I mentioned the other day (in a different thread) I rewatched TLJ & it actually isn't as bad as I had built it up into my head. As a standalone film it wasn't bad. It just doesn't work as act 2 of a trilogy IMO
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Red Letter Media thought that Palpatine was a clone in Return of the Jedi, that would explain why he is still alive.

Makes sense.

I haven't even watched the movie yet. :-)
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