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Nzoner's Game Room>Eric Berry has a Haglund’s deformity on his heel
DaFace 01:06 PM 09-29-2018
Yes, it's in the other thread. Bite me.

https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2018/...ty-on-his-heel

REPORT: Eric Berry has a Haglund’s deformity on his heel
New information on Berry’s sore heel injury emerged on Saturday.

By Pete Sweeney Sep 29, 2018, 1:15pm CDT

Eric Berry has not practiced or played for the Kansas City Chiefs since August 11 in St. Joseph, Missouri, because of what the team has described as a “sore heel.”

The last we heard from the Chiefs athletic training staff was in early September, when head athletic trainer Rick Burkholder described the injury as “literally day to day.”

More information on Berry’s injury emerged Saturday morning, via NFL Network’s Mike Garafolo:

Mike Garafolo: “My understanding, and I’ve spoken to people familiar with his injury situation. He’s got what’s called a Haglund’s deformity in that Achilles. That’s a bone spur that basically digs into the Achilles. Shaun O’ Hara, our colleague at NFL Network, he had it. I spoke to him this week. He said it is extremely painful. He actually used a more colorful word that I won’t use here. It’s just something that continues to irritate the area. Some guys have been able to play with it—you get a shoe here or there, you can adjust … but that’s what’s going on. It’s going to be a pain management thing. It’s not like this thing will tear the Achilles necessarily. A lot of these cases don’t result in a tear, but that’s why with Berry right now, he has not played, and they’ve been doing OK. That’s going to allow them a little bit more patience with Berry, but it is extremely painful.”

This provides a little more clarity than Berry’s injury simply being a “sore heel,” which is good, but what’s bad is there still seems to be no timetable. Remember, Berry missed nearly the entirety of the 2017 season due to a ruptured Achilles on the other leg.

Chiefs head coach Andy Reid was mum on the injury when asked about it Saturday afternoon after the Chiefs’ final practice of the week.

Berry is officially ruled doubtful heading into the Monday night game against the Denver Broncos.

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Here are the notes from our in-house medical expert, Aaron Borgmann:

A lot of talk today regarding something known as a Haglund’s deformity. It was reported by a media source that the player in question suffers from this condition. This discussion is not to confirm or deny that possibility, as I can only explain the available information that we have been given. To be clear, the team has not confirmed this diagnosis and I have no advance knowledge of the player’s current condition.

The simple explanation here that it is indeed a bone spur on the backside of someone’s heel. This is frequently known as a “pump bump” from the occurrence that it is often seen in women’s fashion from the shoes that they wear. However, incidence in football players is also common, sometimes referred to as “retrocalcaneal bursitis” as well.

The bone spur irritates the bursa (fluid-filled sac) that sits between the bone and the tendon or even the tendon itself directly. This can cause a great deal of inflammation and discomfort with any sort of dynamic ankle/foot movement, worse with pressure on the spot itself.

Having one in and of itself it not uncommon, but the degree to which it bothers someone is the issue. Depending upon demands of movement, these can range from debilitating to just a nuisance. Obviously, in football players, the degree of inflammation is what dictates the level of function.

These are diagnosed both visually and radiographically and it is a situation where if you see it and player complains of certain symptoms (pain with movement in that exact spot, swelling, redness) then you can be pretty sure that is what it is.

Treatment focuses on reduction of inflammation obviously directly over the spot. This can be done both topically and through systemic medication. Soft tissue lengthening in both the calf and bottom of the foot is also done to alleviate the issue from both sides – this is due to the fact that both the calf and plantar fascia connect to the calcaneus (heel bone) on either side.

Not to be forgotten is footwear modification and adjustment. Very rigid shoes can cause this irritation, and in some athletes, I would even cut the shoe in the heel to allow room for the bump. Other options include specialized padding and friction reduction methods. Heel lifts have been shown to be helpful in some.

For this condition, non-surgical intervention is preferred to reduce the inflammation as opposed to surgical due to the immobilization period.

If the inflammation can be reduced and the function level high, many players learned to adapt their daily routines to accommodate. They may have to put in a bit more time in order to get ready due to the condition’s demands but can nonetheless get by and still perform at a high level.
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Chris Meck 11:44 AM 10-30-2018
Originally Posted by Detoxing:
You're basing most of your hypothesis on a speculative report. Fact is, Chiefs DO think he will be playing. That's a far cry from "injury settlement".

You really think so? You really think the Chiefs think he's going to play? I don't. You think he's really improving all the time? for eight weeks, but still can't go? I don't. I think they held out hope, and are now coming to terms with the fact that he's not going to be able to go. Hence the chasing of Earl Thomas and perhaps Landon Collins.

This is an internet forum. Speculating is what we're all doing. You as well. You can disagree with my speculation, but all you really have is your own speculation.

This ailment doesn't heal on it's own. It's not a hamstring pull. Berry is attempting to manage the pain level enough to play and eight weeks into the season, still can't. You think it's going to be better next week? Next month? Next YEAR? It isn't. It's not something that heals without major surgery. You're not going to see a 16 game season from Berry ever again more than likely. Yes-speculation, but at some point, you have to realize that the guy hasn't been on the field since September of 2017. There's literally no reason to think that this isn't an ongoing issue that has no end date.

I would love to see him back in action as his old awesome self. I just seriously doubt that will ever happen again. I think the Chiefs are angling for such a settlement from the league, operating in good faith but have cast their sights elsewhere, as should we all.
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ToxSocks 11:44 AM 10-30-2018
Originally Posted by MIAdragon:
Pretty sure an injury settlement has to be mutual, the team could very well want to go that route but EB’s camp may be putting up a fight.
That would mean that EB wants to play, and plans on playing.

Either way, no injury settlement. And if he returns, and plays at an all-pro level, which i believe he will, it'll all be water under the bridge.
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Chris Meck 11:47 AM 10-30-2018
Originally Posted by Detoxing:
That would mean that EB wants to play, and plans on playing.

Either way, no injury settlement. And if he returns, and plays at an all-pro level, which i believe he will, it'll all be water under the bridge.
and I say that's entirely unlikely. Time will tell I suppose.
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ToxSocks 11:53 AM 10-30-2018
Originally Posted by Chris Meck:
You really think so? You really think the Chiefs think he's going to play? I don't. You think he's really improving all the time? for eight weeks, but still can't go? I don't. I think they held out hope, and are now coming to terms with the fact that he's not going to be able to go. Hence the chasing of Earl Thomas and perhaps Landon Collins.

This is an internet forum. Speculating is what we're all doing. You as well. You can disagree with my speculation, but all you really have is your own speculation.

This ailment doesn't heal on it's own. It's not a hamstring pull. Berry is attempting to manage the pain level enough to play and eight weeks into the season, still can't. You think it's going to be better next week? Next month? Next YEAR? It isn't. It's not something that heals without major surgery. You're not going to see a 16 game season from Berry ever again more than likely. Yes-speculation, but at some point, you have to realize that the guy hasn't been on the field since September of 2017. There's literally no reason to think that this isn't an ongoing issue that has no end date.

I would love to see him back in action as his old awesome self. I just seriously doubt that will ever happen again.
The ailment IS the speculation. Your entire theory is based on a speculative report. The pain, the deformity....it's all speculation. For all we know, none of that is true. Does he look like he's in severe pain while pacing the sideline?

So in the meantime, i'll go with what we DO know. And it's that he's not on IR. That he's rehabing, that the Chiefs say they DO expect him back, and that he's there with the team every week and every Sunday. Those are not the actions of a guy who is quitting on his team, and these are not the actions or words of a team who's quitting on their player.
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ToxSocks 11:55 AM 10-30-2018
Originally Posted by Chris Meck:
and I say that's entirely unlikely. Time will tell I suppose.
Has he not returned from this injury before?

Has he not turned in an all-pro season while dealing with this injury in camp before?

The answer is yes, yes he has.
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GloryDayz 11:58 AM 10-30-2018
Originally Posted by OKchiefs:
Berry would be getting shit on so much more if he played in a city like New York. This town has been so tame about criticising players.

We're potentially one loss away from losing home field advantage. Is everyone going to still be sunshine and roses about Berry (and Houston) if we end up losing earlier in the playoffs than we should because the defense couldn't get any stops or because we again had to play on the road in January in Foxborough?
To a fault.
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Chris Meck 11:58 AM 10-30-2018
Originally Posted by Detoxing:
The ailment IS the speculation. Your entire theory is based on a speculative report. The pain, the deformity....it's all speculation. For all we know, none of that is true. Does he look like he's in severe pain while pacing the sideline?

So in the meantime, i'll go with what we DO know. And it's that he's not on IR. That he's rehabing, that the Chiefs say they DO expect him back, and that he's there with the team every week and every Sunday. Those are not the actions of a guy who is quitting on his team, and these are not the actions or words of a team who's quitting on their player.
I don't think he's quitting on the team. I think he literally can't go. I don't think the team is quitting on him either-that's why they didn't IR him and are hoping to get something from him on the field. I don't think there's any conspiracy or screwing anyone over going on. Everything I've read and heard for months has been that it's Haglund's Deformity, if that's not true then literally everyone is full of shit. Possible I guess. I think it's unlikely.

A lot of people have knee-jerk reactionary responses to unpleasant circumstances. I'm not one of those people. I say given the information we have it appears that a guy that has played about a quarter of football in two years is unlikely to just hop back on the field and play at a pro bowl level like nothing ever happened. I think that's beyond overly optimistic.
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htismaqe 11:59 AM 10-30-2018
Originally Posted by Chris Meck:
I don't think he's quitting on the team. I think he literally can't go. I don't think the team is quitting on him either-that's why they didn't IR him and are hoping to get something from him on the field. I don't think there's any conspiracy or screwing anyone over going on. Everything I've read and heard for months has been that it's Haglund's Deformity, if that's not true then literally everyone is full of shit. Possible I guess. I think it's unlikely.

A lot of people have knee-jerk reactionary responses to unpleasant circumstances. I'm not one of those people. I say given the information we have it appears that a guy that has played about a quarter of football in two years is unlikely to just hop back on the field and play at a pro bowl level like nothing ever happened. I think that's beyond overly optimistic.
You pretty much summed up how I feel about it.
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ToxSocks 12:04 PM 10-30-2018
Originally Posted by Chris Meck:
Everything I've read and heard for months has been that it's Haglund's Deformity
And everything you've heard is based off the article in the OP.
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Titty Meat 12:06 PM 10-30-2018
Injury settlement has became the new Players coach, Classic Trap game, or whatever overused cliche phrase you prefer.
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ToxSocks 12:12 PM 10-30-2018
Originally Posted by Titty Meat:
Injury settlement has became the new Players coach, Classic Trap game, or whatever overused cliche phrase you prefer.
Pretty much. They rarely happen. And when they do, they're for some low wage player that no one cares about.
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Marcellus 12:59 PM 10-30-2018
Eric Berry has literally made people go insane here.
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dirk digler 01:01 PM 10-30-2018
Originally Posted by Detoxing:
Pretty much. They rarely happen. And when they do, they're for some low wage player that no one cares about.

yup, because the team and the player have to come to an agreement. Good luck on that with Berry.
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htismaqe 01:03 PM 10-30-2018
Originally Posted by Marcellus:
Eric Berry has literally made people go insane here.
You act like that's unexpected or something.

1. He's one of the highest paid guys on the team and he's not playing
2. Nobody has really come out and said what's wrong, not him nor the team. Instead there's been this vague "day to day" comment for months which leaves people guessing
3. You have a contending team that would be the favorite to win it all with a healthy Eric Berry.

Given all 3 of those things, I think most here are actually quite tame. If this were Philly or New York, the page would be full of death threats.
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siberian khatru 01:05 PM 10-30-2018
Originally Posted by htismaqe:
If this were Philly or New York, the page would be full of death threats.
If this were NY or Philly, there would be sports columnists and radio hosts questioning his manhood.
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