Today at 3:00, Steve will be holding a press conference regarding the criminal investigation involving Tyreek Hill and Crystal Espinal. This will be held in our 4th floor conference room.
What are we willing to tolerate as fans to win a Super Bowl?
This is an interesting question as there appear to be several folks here whose next logical move if Hill is not cut, would be to disengage from the Chiefs entirely. [Reply]
Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief:
I am trying to look at this logically and it is not making any sense. If it was Hill or his girlfriend, they could easily charge both of them for the abuse, as parents, and it would shake out. Also, if it was as bad as some other say they have "heard", there is no way the state would give them back custody. If Hill did this purposely, **** him. However, we do not have nearly enough information to know anything for sure.
I didn't listen all the way to the end, but it sounded like the child has not been returned to them, but that they were not actually allowed to say this. [Reply]
You may not want to hear but its true. If Hill abused his child like some are saying here then he needs to be jailed for life. I find it hard to believe it's as bad as some anonymous "friend with knowledge of the situation" says because the cops would have somebody in jail right now if it were. Even if it was just to apply pressure until someone fessed up. Our core judicial system was innocent until proven guilty. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Why Not?:
This is an interesting question as there appear to be several folks here whose next logical move if Hill is not cut, would be to disengage from the Chiefs entirely.
Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19:
It’s draft day fellas... I’m gonna see my way out of this thread and enjoy the weekend.
Hopefully things aren’t as bad as they sound from some here. I’ll put my trust in the organization to do whatever is best here—I can’t pretend that I know anything about what is going on or what should happen now.
This is where I'm at - I totally trust Duncan too. I don't feel like this will end well. [Reply]
Seems to me the DA was very unethical with his announcement. Our law states the presumption of innocence until proven guilty. His PC yesterday seemed to scream undertones of someone is guilty but we don't have the proof. That to me is not ethical from a person in his position. [Reply]
Originally Posted by tmax63:
You may not want to hear but its true. If Hill abused his child like some are saying here then he needs to be jailed for life. I find it hard to believe it's as bad as some anonymous "friend with knowledge of the situation" says because the cops would have somebody in jail right now if it were. Even if it was just to apply pressure until someone fessed up. Our core judicial system was innocent until proven guilty.
For life? Damn he didn’t die.
For all we know it could have been his wife and Hill isn’t about to snitch her out.
It would be hard for me to snitch on my wife, it’s gang gang fam. [Reply]
Originally Posted by duncan_idaho:
Confirmed as in ever charged or publicly released? Unlikely.
Confirmed as in shared with me by someone I trust, who has the details of the investigation? Yes.
I would never trust someone sharing confidential information. Sharing that information is probably against the law unless you are also in law enforcement or CPS? Is that the case? [Reply]
Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief:
I am trying to look at this logically and it is not making any sense. If it was Hill or his girlfriend, they could easily charge both of them for the abuse, as parents, and it would shake out.
So, the DA says the parents abused the child and presents evidence that the child was abused. Do we know that it was the parents? Is the 3yr old talking? Who is going up on the stand to say that they did it?
One can deduce that when a kid is abused it's probably the parents, but is that going to hold up in a criminal court of law? This is why you'll invariably find that there are a lot more cases of children removed from abusive homes than parents formally charged with abuse. [Reply]
Originally Posted by petegz28:
Seems to me the DA was very unethical with his announcement. Our law states the presumption of innocence until proven guilty. His PC yesterday seemed to scream undertones of someone is guilty but we don't have the proof. That to me is not ethical from a person in his position.
I actually agree with this, if you aren't filing charges to basically stand in front of cameras and say the shit he did is at best covering your ass and at worst milking it cause you have political aspirations. [Reply]
Originally Posted by petegz28:
Seems to me the DA was very unethical with his announcement. Our law states the presumption of innocence until proven guilty. His PC yesterday seemed to scream undertones of someone is guilty but we don't have the proof. That to me is not ethical from a person in his position.
Seems to be a common approach by investigators these days doesn't it. [Reply]