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Nzoner's Game Room>Eric Berry has a Haglund’s deformity on his heel
DaFace 01:06 PM 09-29-2018
Yes, it's in the other thread. Bite me.

https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2018/...ty-on-his-heel

REPORT: Eric Berry has a Haglund’s deformity on his heel
New information on Berry’s sore heel injury emerged on Saturday.

By Pete Sweeney Sep 29, 2018, 1:15pm CDT

Eric Berry has not practiced or played for the Kansas City Chiefs since August 11 in St. Joseph, Missouri, because of what the team has described as a “sore heel.”

The last we heard from the Chiefs athletic training staff was in early September, when head athletic trainer Rick Burkholder described the injury as “literally day to day.”

More information on Berry’s injury emerged Saturday morning, via NFL Network’s Mike Garafolo:

Mike Garafolo: “My understanding, and I’ve spoken to people familiar with his injury situation. He’s got what’s called a Haglund’s deformity in that Achilles. That’s a bone spur that basically digs into the Achilles. Shaun O’ Hara, our colleague at NFL Network, he had it. I spoke to him this week. He said it is extremely painful. He actually used a more colorful word that I won’t use here. It’s just something that continues to irritate the area. Some guys have been able to play with it—you get a shoe here or there, you can adjust … but that’s what’s going on. It’s going to be a pain management thing. It’s not like this thing will tear the Achilles necessarily. A lot of these cases don’t result in a tear, but that’s why with Berry right now, he has not played, and they’ve been doing OK. That’s going to allow them a little bit more patience with Berry, but it is extremely painful.”

This provides a little more clarity than Berry’s injury simply being a “sore heel,” which is good, but what’s bad is there still seems to be no timetable. Remember, Berry missed nearly the entirety of the 2017 season due to a ruptured Achilles on the other leg.

Chiefs head coach Andy Reid was mum on the injury when asked about it Saturday afternoon after the Chiefs’ final practice of the week.

Berry is officially ruled doubtful heading into the Monday night game against the Denver Broncos.

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Here are the notes from our in-house medical expert, Aaron Borgmann:

A lot of talk today regarding something known as a Haglund’s deformity. It was reported by a media source that the player in question suffers from this condition. This discussion is not to confirm or deny that possibility, as I can only explain the available information that we have been given. To be clear, the team has not confirmed this diagnosis and I have no advance knowledge of the player’s current condition.

The simple explanation here that it is indeed a bone spur on the backside of someone’s heel. This is frequently known as a “pump bump” from the occurrence that it is often seen in women’s fashion from the shoes that they wear. However, incidence in football players is also common, sometimes referred to as “retrocalcaneal bursitis” as well.

The bone spur irritates the bursa (fluid-filled sac) that sits between the bone and the tendon or even the tendon itself directly. This can cause a great deal of inflammation and discomfort with any sort of dynamic ankle/foot movement, worse with pressure on the spot itself.

Having one in and of itself it not uncommon, but the degree to which it bothers someone is the issue. Depending upon demands of movement, these can range from debilitating to just a nuisance. Obviously, in football players, the degree of inflammation is what dictates the level of function.

These are diagnosed both visually and radiographically and it is a situation where if you see it and player complains of certain symptoms (pain with movement in that exact spot, swelling, redness) then you can be pretty sure that is what it is.

Treatment focuses on reduction of inflammation obviously directly over the spot. This can be done both topically and through systemic medication. Soft tissue lengthening in both the calf and bottom of the foot is also done to alleviate the issue from both sides – this is due to the fact that both the calf and plantar fascia connect to the calcaneus (heel bone) on either side.

Not to be forgotten is footwear modification and adjustment. Very rigid shoes can cause this irritation, and in some athletes, I would even cut the shoe in the heel to allow room for the bump. Other options include specialized padding and friction reduction methods. Heel lifts have been shown to be helpful in some.

For this condition, non-surgical intervention is preferred to reduce the inflammation as opposed to surgical due to the immobilization period.

If the inflammation can be reduced and the function level high, many players learned to adapt their daily routines to accommodate. They may have to put in a bit more time in order to get ready due to the condition’s demands but can nonetheless get by and still perform at a high level.
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mikeyis4dcats. 08:22 AM 10-30-2018
Originally Posted by TambaBerry:
Because calling into a boring mundane 9-5 job is the same as missing a 2-3 hour game where you play half of it. Dont be ****ing stupid

getting into game shape and practice is a lot more than a 2-3hour game he plays half of...
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Nirvana58 08:29 AM 10-30-2018
The people claiming Berry needs to play or go to IR. My one question is why? He gets paid the same no matter what. We are 7-1 without him. We are going to make the playoffs. Why play him now?

Let him rest if there is even a 10% chance he can help us with a Super Bowl run. Regular season doesn't matter with this team now. All this team should care about is bringing home that trophy. Resting Berry now gives us the best chance to have him for the playoffs.

The Chiefs and Berry know this and are 100% making the right decision.
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loochy 08:35 AM 10-30-2018
Originally Posted by Nirvana58:
The people claiming Berry needs to play or go to IR. My one question is why? He gets paid the same no matter what. We are 7-1 without him. We are going to make the playoffs. Why play him now?

Let him rest if there is even a 10% chance he can help us with a Super Bowl run. Regular season doesn't matter with this team now. All this team should care about is bringing home that trophy. Resting Berry now gives us the best chance to have him for the playoffs.

The Chiefs and Berry know this and are 100% making the right decision.
I don't understand how you people think that all of a sudden his heel will stop hurting and he can play. If 3 months doesn't make it stop hurting, then why would 4 or 5? It's not like a surgery recovery or anything.
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Danguardace 08:37 AM 10-30-2018
Originally Posted by Nirvana58:
The people claiming Berry needs to play or go to IR. My one question is why? He gets paid the same no matter what. We are 7-1 without him. We are going to make the playoffs. Why play him now?

Let him rest if there is even a 10% chance he can help us with a Super Bowl run. Regular season doesn't matter with this team now. All this team should care about is bringing home that trophy. Resting Berry now gives us the best chance to have him for the playoffs.

The Chiefs and Berry know this and are 100% making the right decision.
I would say with this Defense Chiefs Need Home Field advantage badly.

But I would see where they are at when the Bye comes around.
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Marcellus 08:38 AM 10-30-2018
Originally Posted by loochy:
I don't understand how you people think that all of a sudden his heel will stop hurting and he can play. If 3 months doesn't make it stop hurting, then why would 4 or 5? It's not like a surgery recovery or anything.
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Ever hear of a thing called rehabilitation also know as physical therapy?

Do you think he is just doing nothing?
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dirk digler 08:38 AM 10-30-2018
Originally Posted by loochy:
I don't understand how you people think that all of a sudden his heel will stop hurting and he can play. If 3 months doesn't make it stop hurting, then why would 4 or 5? It's not like a surgery recovery or anything.
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I don't think it will stop hurting he will just have to deal with it. IMO he needs to start playing around week 15 to be ready for the playoffs.
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Nirvana58 08:38 AM 10-30-2018
Originally Posted by loochy:
I don't understand how you people think that all of a sudden his heel will stop hurting and he can play. If 3 months doesn't make it stop hurting, then why would 4 or 5? It's not like a surgery recovery or anything.
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It might or might not. The only report we have had on it says Rest or Surgery can help with the issue. Surgery option he is done for the season. Rest option gives us a chance he can be here for the Super Bowl run. This is a no brainer on what option they should take.

We have a special team here. Like I said if there is only a 10% chance Berry comes back for the playoffs. You take it. He is a true difference maker when he is on the field and could be the difference between us going home and raising that trophy.
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KCUnited 08:43 AM 10-30-2018
Props to Berry and the Chiefs for knowing we'd go 7-1 without him and will go to the playoffs without him. Hopefully they also know that we'll secure home field advantage in the playoffs without him.
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Nirvana58 08:56 AM 10-30-2018
Originally Posted by KCUnited:
Props to Berry and the Chiefs for knowing we'd go 7-1 without him and will go to the playoffs without him. Hopefully they also know that we'll secure home field advantage in the playoffs without him.
Honestly, that is probably why we saw reports saying they expected him back for Jacksonville. Then Patrick happened and this whole season changed.

HFA will be nice but I would not be surprised for Pat to go into New England and win in December either.
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Hoover 08:58 AM 10-30-2018
At this point, I want Berry to come back for the playoffs. Play through the pain. Win a Super Bowl then retire.
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FAX 08:58 AM 10-30-2018
Originally Posted by loochy:
I don't understand how you people think that all of a sudden his heel will stop hurting and he can play. If 3 months doesn't make it stop hurting, then why would 4 or 5? It's not like a surgery recovery or anything.
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Outcomes and timelines associated with experimental procedures are typically difficult to predict, Mr. loochy.

Medial science in the hands of morons simply hasn't progressed that far.

FAX
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Couch-Potato 08:59 AM 10-30-2018
Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins:
This could be cover for another injury the public isn't privy to.
I've been curious about this as well.
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htismaqe 09:00 AM 10-30-2018
Originally Posted by Marcellus:
First off you don't actually know this. All you know is some report from a guy that hasn't been confirmed.

As much as you like to act like it, you don't KNOW whats going on.
You'd literally say anything to defend the Chiefs.

Like the doctor's that have weighed in on this, in both print and on local sports radio, don't know anything either.

:-)
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htismaqe 09:01 AM 10-30-2018
Originally Posted by Nirvana58:
HFA will be nice but I would not be surprised for Pat to go into New England and win in December either.
You mean like he did a couple of weeks ago?
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OKchiefs 09:01 AM 10-30-2018
Berry would be getting shit on so much more if he played in a city like New York. This town has been so tame about criticising players.

We're potentially one loss away from losing home field advantage. Is everyone going to still be sunshine and roses about Berry (and Houston) if we end up losing earlier in the playoffs than we should because the defense couldn't get any stops or because we again had to play on the road in January in Foxborough?
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