Other than the Clark trade, when has Veach got raped?
Murray for Ogbah?
Alex for a 2nd and Fuller?
Ehinger for Ward?
Dee Ford (who’s been a situational pass rusher) for a 2nd?
Peters for a 2nd (Thornhill)?
The truth is he’s won much more than he’s lost. [Reply]
Originally Posted by staylor26:
Other than the Clark trade, when has Veach got raped?
Murray for Ogbah?
Alex for a 2nd and Fuller?
Ehinger for Ward?
Dee Ford (who’s been a situational pass rusher) for a 2nd?
Peters for a 2nd (Thornhill)?
The truth is he’s won much more than he’s lost.
It was a 3rd and Fuller in the Alex Smith trade.
I think Peters was the one that most people thought was bad. It was a 2nd in the following year and it also involved a pick swap that made it worse if I remember correctly? [Reply]
Originally Posted by staylor26:
Other than the Clark trade, when has Veach got raped?
Murray for Ogbah?
Alex for a 2nd and Fuller?
Ehinger for Ward?
Dee Ford (who’s been a situational pass rusher) for a 2nd?
Peters for a 2nd (Thornhill)?
The truth is he’s won much more than he’s lost.
We got a 3rd and Fuller for Alex, not a 2nd.
Veach really fucking overpaid for Hitchens, Watkins, and Clark. And while he's been a better model of consistency than the others he's compared to, I think he also paid for Mathieu. And these contracts are all a result of getting into bidding wars with other teams. You can say all you want, 'Well, that's just the market" but I can't name many Super Bowl teams who give out deals like Veach does. Dorsey showed some restraint. He was willing to let deals come to him some of the time, even though he too did a lot of overpaying. He also was able to deliver the occasional team-friendly value in free agency far more often.
We could talk about his draft history, but even with the 2018 draft looking cruddy, it's dumb to judge his drafts this early. But I will, however, continue to shit on the Breeland Speaks trade up and selection. Christ... talk about having tunnel vision in the draft. That was just an embarrassingly bad pick.
Veach's successes have nearly all come through nibbling around the edges by making those low risk trades and moves you mentioned above. I don't think the Peters and Ford trades were slam dunks because compared to the market at the time, 2nd round picks that occur in future drafts weren't good payoffs. However, the trades for Ogbah, Fuller, and Ward were pretty good.
He's made some sneaky decent free agent acquisitions in Reiter, McCoy, Damien Wilson, Breeland, and Okafor. There are also a couple of random "roster maintenance" transactions like the Schwartz extension and the Fisher and Hitchens contract restructures, but I'm not really going to suck his dick for that stuff. Every GM has made those type of easy quick moves.
In terms of the big money contracts he's worked on, the only one I can really say that was really good was the Tyreek extension. The rest of them were overpays or even outright busts.
Veach's problem is he thinks of himself as this big dicked card player who likes to be aggressive and take risks. If he could just fucking cool his goddamn jets and sit back more often instead of treating each free agent target like his life depends on it, he'd be okay.
He needs to learn that lesson pretty damn fucking quickly here. We're gonna need draft pick QUANTITY coming up here in a few seasons, and we're also going to be strapped for cash when we give Mahomes his extension. If he keeps doing Frank Clark trades while we're in that era of Chiefs football, he's going to fuck up everything. [Reply]
Originally Posted by RealSNR:
We got a 3rd and Fuller for Alex, not a 2nd.
Veach really ****ing overpaid for Hitchens, Watkins, and Clark. And while he's been a better model of consistency than the others he's compared to, I think he also paid for Mathieu. And these contracts are all a result of getting into bidding wars with other teams. You can say all you want, 'Well, that's just the market" but I can't name many Super Bowl teams who give out deals like Veach does. Dorsey showed some restraint. He was willing to let deals come to him some of the time, even though he too did a lot of overpaying. He also was able to deliver the occasional team-friendly value in free agency far more often.
We could talk about his draft history, but even with the 2018 draft looking cruddy, it's dumb to judge his drafts this early. But I will, however, continue to shit on the Breeland Speaks trade up and selection. Christ... talk about having tunnel vision in the draft. That was just an embarrassingly bad pick.
Veach's successes have nearly all come through nibbling around the edges by making those low risk trades and moves you mentioned above. I don't think the Peters and Ford trades were slam dunks because compared to the market at the time, 2nd round picks that occur in future drafts weren't good payoffs. However, the trades for Ogbah, Fuller, and Ward were pretty good.
He's made some sneaky decent free agent acquisitions in Reiter, McCoy, Damien Wilson, Breeland, and Okafor. There are also a couple of random "roster maintenance" transactions like the Schwartz extension and the Fisher and Hitchens contract restructures, but I'm not really going to suck his dick for that stuff. Every GM has made those type of easy quick moves.
In terms of the big money contracts he's worked on, the only one I can really say that was really good was the Tyreek extension. The rest of them were overpays or even outright busts.
Veach's problem is he thinks of himself as this big dicked card player who likes to be aggressive and take risks. If he could just ****ing cool his goddamn jets and sit back more often instead of treating each free agent target like his life depends on it, he'd be okay.
He needs to learn that lesson pretty damn ****ing quickly here. We're gonna need draft pick QUANTITY coming up here in a few seasons, and we're also going to be strapped for cash when we give Mahomes his extension. If he keeps doing Frank Clark trades while we're in that era of Chiefs football, he's going to **** up everything.
He didn’t fuck to the HB deal at all. Not only is ur secondary vastly improved thanks to him but our defense is better than last year and that also cuz of him. He is everything we wished Eric Berry would do. Mathieu can play the ball. Tackle. And can even rush the qb. He does it all oh and he’s also a leader [Reply]
How the FUCK do you pick up Frank Clark without knowing both of his arms are fucked up and will require surgery?
How do you do that?
How the fuck is that even possible?
And I don't give a fuck if he's having a monster game, all pumped up on PED's and snorting rails of HGH, how do you accomplish something so fucking stupid as a GM? [Reply]
How the **** do you pick up Frank Clark without knowing both of his arms are ****ed up and will require surgery?
How do you do that?
How the **** is that even possible?
And I don't give a **** if he's having a monster game, all pumped up on PED's and snorting rails of HGH, how do you accomplish something so ****ing stupid as a GM?
Are you serious? The proper method of taking HGH is to snort rails of it? Why? [Reply]
Tonight sucked but the silver lining was our young guys.
Hardman was good again, Saunders was good in run support and had a sack + QB hit and another pressure, Thornhill was rock solid playing deep as a rookie and Rankin has been the best LG we have had in years. Even Fenton has looked pretty decent.
Then you think of Ogbah balling. Ward did well too.
We needed almost every one of those guys tonight bc of injuries and they played well. [Reply]
Veach picked up Buttkicker from the Panthers practice squad and got Ward for a scrub offensive guard who doesn't even play in the league.
Both players right now are two of the best in their positions in the entire NFL. The guy has an eye for talent. And he is great in managing the cap. I've said it all along, he is a top 3 GM in this league. [Reply]