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Originally Posted by Amnorix:
NO! Absolutely not 10 out of 10 times. The questions are:
1. Is the "elite talent" cheap, or are you paying a premium? If you're trading a 1st for an "elite" talent who is getting, or soon will get, top of the market dollars, then you have given up BOTH a pick AND salary cap space. Maybe that's worth doing, but maybe not.
2. Is the "elite talent" going to fit your scheme, and your team? Both in terms of how much of an upgrade is the guy over your current guys, and how his personality and work ethic will fit in your locker room. You don't just get the talent, you get THE ENTIRE GUY. All the good AND the bad. There's usually a reason the guy is on teh trading block. Other teams dont' drop elite talent for no reason.
3. What is the cost in picks. A 7th? Ok. A 1st? Will it be a low 1st (Pats/Chiefs?) or a high 1st (jets/'pins). More than one pick? How many? What rounds?
So it's nowhere near 10 out of 10 times. It's very situational.
Proven talent > picks. That's true. But there's a definite cost. Picks are the best way to accrue cheap talent you can control for years.
If I was a team that was gonna pick high or the guy was 30 I'd have a way different view.
Like I think the Pitt trade is idiotic because they're probably trading a top 10 pick. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Amnorix:
NO! Absolutely not 10 out of 10 times. The questions are:
1. Is the "elite talent" cheap, or are you paying a premium? If you're trading a 1st for an "elite" talent who is getting, or soon will get, top of the market dollars, then you have given up BOTH a pick AND salary cap space. Maybe that's worth doing, but maybe not.
2. Is the "elite talent" going to fit your scheme, and your team? Both in terms of how much of an upgrade is the guy over your current guys, and how his personality and work ethic will fit in your locker room. You don't just get the talent, you get THE ENTIRE GUY. All the good AND the bad. There's usually a reason the guy is on teh trading block. Other teams dont' drop elite talent for no reason.
3. What is the cost in picks. A 7th? Ok. A 1st? Will it be a low 1st (Pats/Chiefs?) or a high 1st (jets/'pins). More than one pick? How many? What rounds?
So it's nowhere near 10 out of 10 times. It's very situational.
Proven talent > picks. That's true. But there's a definite cost. Picks are the best way to accrue cheap talent you can control for years.
Of course there's factors...I think you knew what I meant. [Reply]
Originally Posted by tk13:
That's football though. Teams that are generally dynasties draft well. There's not really any way around that because there's a salary cap and you need 50 guys on your roster. If you want to build a dynasty around Pat they're going to have to draft good players to fill out the roster behind these mega contracts.
Every team that has sustained success drafts well. That's the game. The only team who didn't was the Broncos and they were a complete aberration because they won with a QB on his last leg who led the league in INT.
You will not win the SB every year. The goal here is to build the best, complete, deep, talented team over the next 12'ish years, which is a reasonable period for Mahomes to be operating at elite levels.
Trading away a bunch of high draft picks will not achieve that goal. A guy like Minkah makes sense -- he's young and still early in his first (cheap) contract. Ramsey is young, which is great, but that contract balloons to $13.7MM next year which is ok but then he's a FA. Is he looking for the most $$$ a CB ever got? Id' like to know that before I trade 2 1sts to get 1.9 years out of a guy who may walk as a free agent, giving me only a 3rd round comp pick in return at most. [Reply]
