Originally Posted by BangbangNinerGang:
How much of your playbook do you think has been opened up? Needing to come back from the 24 point deficit seems like you all put a lot on tape.
I don’t think they had to do anything too crazy. The Texans did not stop them in 1st quarter. Receivers were open and kept dropping the ball on 3rd down. The “comeback” happened so quick in the 2nd quarter that I am not sure Reid felt any pressure to pull out special plays. [Reply]
Originally Posted by BangbangNinerGang:
How much of your playbook do you think has been opened up? Needing to come back from the 24 point deficit seems like you all put a lot on tape.
not much, probably. the only difference from the texans/titans games versus early in the season is that mahomes can move around a lot better outside of the pocket.
improved red zone efficiency is the key beneficiary of this [Reply]
Originally Posted by BangbangNinerGang:
Hey man, if you're looking for a decent conversation with Chief 'fans' who know something about football you came to the wrong place. But as an educated person of the game, and a Niner fan, I will take a shot at replying for both parties:
Niner Take: If the D keeps the edge and contains the roll out PM has little chance to go his second or third read based on their pass rush ability. Mahomes, similar to Wilson, has the ability for broken plays resulting in the DB's to cover for a second route, which causes fits.
Chief 'fan': PEOPLE SHIT ON YOUR CITY AND THERE ARE HOMELESS ALL OVER THE PLACE. SO WE WILL SHIT, HE WILL SHIT ALL OVER YOU!!!
Follow up: Since you're expecting your DEs to contain the edge (while still generating pressure), I assume you don't expect Dee Ford to play?
Because we all know how effective Dee is at setting the edge ...
Originally Posted by BangbangNinerGang:
How much of your playbook do you think has been opened up? Needing to come back from the 24 point deficit seems like you all put a lot on tape.
They brought out some of the more creative red zone stuff that they haven't used much of this year. And started using a lot more of the jet-sweep actions that they had been extremely successful with in 2018 and had largely shelved for most of this season.
But something tells me that Andy isn't sitting at home right now thinking "well shit - after 20 years of being the most innovative offensive mind in football, I'm finally plum out of ideas..."
And it won't be reinventing the wheel, but it'll be a wrinkle off some of those short yardage concepts they showed this week and last. The trick isn't that Andy couldn't show anything to get here - it's that by not showing it during the regular season, he hasn't shown his counter.
Congrats - you may figure out how to deal with what Reid did to the Texans inside the 10. But because he hadn't been doing that yet this year, you DON'T know how he's going to respond to your counter-punch. That's been the key benefit to holding this stuff back. Andy is ALWAYS setting up the next move and by not having to play his hand for most of the regular season, you don't know what card he has up his sleeve yet.
Originally Posted by duncan_idaho:
Maybe the reason you're not getting the reaction you're looking for, in terms of conversation, is that you're saying stuff with your Niners glasses on like its fact...
Things such as "little chance to go to his second or third read based on their pass rush ability."
Based on what? Yes, the 49ers have a good defensive line. Have you considered how KC's offensive line matches up?
The Chiefs have an excellent pass protecting OL. RT Mitchell Schwartz has been going against elite LE for years and has consistently won those matchups and limited those players.
Khalil Mack, Von Miller, and Joey Bosa ... nonimpact guys against KC with Mahomes under center. Miller and Mack have sacks against KC in that timeframe - and grand total of 2.5 in 6 games played - but not when lined up on their traditional left side, against Schwartz. Bosa has never sacked Patrick Mahomes.
Eric Fisher is a good LT and is particularly good against finesse rushers like Dee Ford. If you put a power guy on him, he can be leverage with the bull rush on occasion. James Harrison owned his soul, specifically. Arik Armstead lined up on Fisher actually is probably San Francisco's best matchup against these two; does he line up much on the right side for you? He's been LE every game I've watched this year (5-6).
The interior of the Chiefs' OL isn't special, especially in the run game, but it does a good job. The one time since Mahomes became QB that pressure was a REAL probably was facing off against Aaron Donald last year. DeForest Buckner is a star, but he isn't Aaron Donald when it comes to interior pass rushing. He's not even close to the best interior pass rusher playing in the Super Bowl (that guy wears #95 for KC).
The 49ers front four is good, no doubt. But expecting them to win so consistently and easily against KC that Mahomes is limited to first reads is silly - because it isn't based in fact.
Supposedly, the Texans had a great front 4 that was going to pressure Mahomes- they were gassed at the end and ineffective most of the game.
Titans were supposed to be run stuffers and Physical, but Mahomes had up to 9 seconds to throw on some plays and they never touched his jersey.
Big boy Bosa has never done shit against the Chiefs and I doubt his little queer brother will do much either. [Reply]
Originally Posted by BangbangNinerGang:
How much of your playbook do you think has been opened up? Needing to come back from the 24 point deficit seems like you all put a lot on tape.
At least a half dozen of the plays that Andy ran to regain the lead were from previous seasons. For instance, the first play of the 90-yard drive, Pat throws to Kelce and HOU is called for DPI was from a playoff game in 2016, IIRC. The only reason I know that is because I happened to review that game just a couple days before the game, so I recognized it. That pass was actually designed to go to the RB, but Pat saw the PI and threw it at Kelce to draw attention to it.
There were several others I recognized from other games, but I couldn't tell you for certain which ones were brand new.
Andy always has about 10-15% new plays for every game. He also has a "Super Bowl" playbook that apparently has dozens of plays that never been run except in practice. According to Steve Mariucci anyway.
Not that it matters that much. Andy's plays always have stems. He lines up a play and runs it one way in a game, then weeks later he lines up the same play but now everyone runs different routes, or the rush goes a different way. He definitely has favorites; there's an RB pass play that he runs . . . often, I guess. I've seen him run it in the Lions game this year, and against HOU. And a couple other times during this season, but I can't remember specifically which games. [Reply]
Originally Posted by BangbangNinerGang:
How much of your playbook do you think has been opened up? Needing to come back from the 24 point deficit seems like you all put a lot on tape.
Of Andy Reid's playbook? Like 1%.
We didn't run anything we haven't been running all year or last year. The Titans did steal one of our less frequently used plays, so I guess they showed that one. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Halfcan:
Supposedly, the Texans had a great front 4 that was going to pressure Mahomes- they were gassed at the end and ineffective most of the game.
Titans were supposed to be run stuffers and Physical, but Mahomes had up to 9 seconds to throw on some plays and they never touched his jersey.
Big boy Bosa has never done shit against the Chiefs and I doubt his little queer brother will do much either.
Niner fans are thinking that four games against two quarterbacks boasting some of the highest sack %s bodes well for them in a game versus Mahomes.
Mahomes has only been sacked 17 times this year with Cam Erving playing turnstile for part of the season. Kyler and Russell have been sacked 48 times each [Reply]
Originally Posted by Deebo19:
A lot of people are saying in order to limit Mahomes you need to keep him in the pocket and force him to go through his reades.
Sort of like what New England did in the second half of their game.
What's the assessment from Chiefs fans?
Seriously, him staying in the pocket means his protection is holding. Yes that’s it, give him time to carve you up, that’s the ticket!!ONE1!! [Reply]
Originally Posted by Halfcan: Supposedly, the Texans had a great front 4 that was going to pressure Mahomes- they were gassed at the end and ineffective most of the game.
Titans were supposed to be run stuffers and Physical, but Mahomes had up to 9 seconds to throw on some plays and they never touched his jersey.
Big boy Bosa has never done shit against the Chiefs and I doubt his little queer brother will do much either.
According to who?
I mean c'mon, let's be fair here. Most people knew full well that the Texans had struggled all season to generate a pass rush and had an iffy (at best) secondary. As for the 'run-stuffing' Titans - folks largely hand-waived that because who cares? The Chiefs don't run the football.
C'mon - this is NOTHING like the Texans or Titans games. Those defenses were drawing dead. The 49ers front 4 most assuredly isn't. It'll be the best DL we've played this year, Ravens and Patriots included.
The biggest thing to point out on the 49ers is that they are a heavy zone team in the secondary and you just cannot play zone against this team. Mahomes will dissect it. The Niners benched their CB2 and their CB1 has absolutely no prayer of hanging in man against any of our WRs. They know they'll have to disguise looks and hope to fool Mahomes w/ some sort of exotic zone looks.
But I don't see it happening. Kid's seeing the game in slow-motion right now and I don't see anyone fooling him. [Reply]
Originally Posted by BangbangNinerGang:
How much of your playbook do you think has been opened up? Needing to come back from the 24 point deficit seems like you all put a lot on tape.
This is a dumb question. Gameplans change week-to-week based on the opponent. There isn't some secret stack of surefire winning plays kept behind "break in case of emergency" glass. Teams use the best stuff they got every week, based on the opponent. [Reply]
