Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
Originally Posted by lewdog:
Then you agree. This is running through the community at a more rampant pace than the number suggest.
Thank you and good night.
Lew, if you have paid any attention to what I have said this entire time then you would know I have been consistent in saying that not only did this start in this country long before we started "worrying" about it, but most of this country has been exposed to it and either have worked through it thinking they had the flu, including myself, or were otherwise not necessarily impacted enough by it to think it was something other than just not feeling good for a few days.
When you have this in the middle of one of the worse flu seasons we have ever had and one of the worst seasons we have had for pneumonia it would be easy for this thing to essentially hide as something else for quite some time. [Reply]
Originally Posted by O.city:
You need to be able to test everyone to do the South Korean model
We’re past that so you basically lock it all down and get the fire out oit then you can go back to test and chase
We have tested more people than SK did and I have now heard several doctors or other medical professionals say we are closer to SK than we are Italy. [Reply]
Originally Posted by O.city:
It’s basically using a different epidemiological model. They think maybe half of England has already been exposed and there is just a bunch of mild and asymptomatic cases
There seems to be some things showing now that it may be true
I believe that and as I just explained to Lew, I think we have had literally millions of people already exposed to this but many either showed little or no symptoms or otherwise thought they had the flu and recovered. [Reply]
Originally Posted by BigRedChief:
Dr. Fauci on when to end social distancing, “the virus makes the timeline”
Originally Posted by petegz28:
While I understand what he is saying I disagree to an extent. The virus is never going away. Our ability to treat and minimize the impact of the virus is what makes the timeline.
what credentials, education, experience do you have in pandemic timelines to show us that your smarter than Dr. Faucui when it comes to pandemic timelines? [Reply]
Originally Posted by O.city:
It’s basically using a different epidemiological model. They think maybe half of England has already been exposed and there is just a bunch of mild and asymptomatic cases
There seems to be some things showing now that it may be true
Or let me put it to you as one medical professional put it to me, "it's amazing what you find when you start looking for it only to realize it was there all along". [Reply]
Originally Posted by petegz28:
Once again you just have to play this straw man bullshit. I did not downplay it. I am sorry to inform you however that people die from other things than this in the same or higher numbers every day. That is just the fact. To point that out is not down playing anything.
You don't get it. Now I am going to kindly ask you to either stop being confrontational every time you want to address my posts or to ignore me. But your constant bullshit of either making an assumption or otherwise putting words in my mouth and then opining on it is ****ing old.
You did downplay it. You acted like it is not a big deal that the number of Americans dying from this virus continues to increase since "100 Americans die in 6 hours for lots of things every day," as if the poster didn't realize that when he posted the stats.
Maybe if one of your good friends or one of your family members died from it you'd take this virus more seriously. These are real people dying man. Not just statistics.
Also, I also can almost guarantee you the other ways the Americans are dying are not nearly as contagious as this virus is. Not to mention there is no vaccine for this virus and there won't be for a while.
We need to do everything we can to stop this virus from continuing to spread and kill Americans. [Reply]
Originally Posted by petegz28:
We have tested more people than SK did and I have now heard several doctors or other medical professionals say we are closer to SK than we are Italy.
We have tested considerably less people per capita than SK. In my opinion, this is much more relevant. [Reply]
Originally Posted by BigRedChief:
what credentials, education, experience do you have in pandemic timelines to show us that your smarter than Dr. Faucui when it comes to pandemic timelines?
Dude, I have heard or had doctors and medical professionals tell me this virus isn't just going to die. Just like the flu hasn't died. We have just become more equipped to deal with it.
Dr. Fauci is a very smart doctor I am sure but his title doesn't make him the holy grail if you will.
Get this through your head, the virus is never going to go away completely. It isn't. That's a fact of life. What will happen is we will develop treatments and vaccines to reduce its impact on us just like we have for countless other diseases. [Reply]
Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy:
You did downplay it. You acted like it is not a big deal that the number of Americans dying from this virus continues to increase since "100 Americans die in 6 hours for lots of things every day," as if the poster didn't realize that when he posted the stats.
Maybe if one of your good friends or one of your family members died from it you'd take this virus more seriously. These are real people dying man. Not just statistics.
Also, I also can almost guarantee you the other ways the Americans are dying are not nearly as contagious as this virus is. Not to mention there is no vaccine for this virus and there won't be for a while.
We need to do everything we can to stop this virus from continuing to spread and kill Americans.
No, I didn't. Maybe you should spend your time doing straw man arguments with others because I am done dealing with you. As others have told you, you are rather impossible to have a discussion with. [Reply]
I should clarify, I get to sit in meetings with government leaders from all levels of government and the measures being taken both financially and policy wise are not reflective of a "this isn't going to be that bad" attitude.
While I don't think we are talking bubonic plague it will be dramatic in how it impacts our healthcare system. [Reply]
Originally Posted by SupDock:
We have tested considerably less people per capita than SK. In my opinion, this is much more relevant.
We also have a much larger population and logistical challenge than SK does.
Lookit, I would love it if we could test everyone. But then you would essentially have to isolate everyone until all the tests came back. Otherwise you can test negative but get infected 5 mins later.
Testing on a mass scale is only going to give you a snapshot of that particular moment in time. And until you know the results you would literally have to lock up everyone until you knew who had what or didn't have it. [Reply]
Originally Posted by petegz28:
No, I didn't. Maybe you should spend your time doing straw man arguments with others because I am done dealing with you. As others have told you, you are rather impossible to have a discussion with.
One other person told me that not 'others.' As usual you can't get your facts straight.
Originally Posted by DenverChief:
I should clarify, I get to sit in meetings with government leaders from all levels of government and the measures being taken both financially and policy wise are not reflective of a "this isn't going to be that bad" attitude.
While I don't think we are talking bubonic plague it will be dramatic in how it impacts our healthcare system.
It's a very serious issue. If we don't handle this well the consequences could be devastating. We all need to help out in anyway we can to beat this virus. As most know the best thing we all can do for now is social distancing. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DenverChief:
I should clarify, I get to sit in meetings with government leaders from all levels of government and the measures being taken both financially and policy wise are not reflective of a "this isn't going to be that bad" attitude.
While I don't think we are talking bubonic plague it will be dramatic in how it impacts our healthcare system.
It most certainly is and that is the reason for all the actions being taken. To prevent our hospitals being overrun. But even Dr. Fauci has said that will actually lengthen the time it takes to deal with it.
It would be traumatic if we just went about our daily lives as normal right now. It would literally overrun our resources in the short term and many more people would die than already are. [Reply]
Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy:
One other person told me that not 'others.' As usual you can't get your facts straight.
It's a very serious issue. If we don't handle this well the consequences could be devastating. We all need to help out in anyway we can to beat this virus. As most know the best thing we all can do for now is social distancing.
Alright, well you tell yourself whatever it is you need to tell yourself. You don't converse, you argue, judge, assume and condescend and I am done with it. [Reply]