Originally Posted by Pestilence:
Dorsey is obviously out because of his management of the cap. It was his one downfall.
If a guy is excellent at 80% of his job and has a weakness that's easily identifiable, you get the man help with that weakness.
This isn't his cap management. If that's all it was, you spend a few bucks and get a cap management specialist (y'know, like the guy we had). And if he's not a favorite for the GB job, then he wasn't leaving this one voluntarily.
Reid cut him off at the knees. Nothing else adds up. You don't fire a guy with the success he's had drafting because of a temper tantrum over how a guy with 1 successful season was cut. Talent trumps, lads and John Dorsey had a hell of an eye for talent.
Are we already forgetting just how incredibly he navigated the draft this year? The guy knew exactly who he wanted and exactly how high he needed to be to get him. He had the plan mapped out over a week in advance. The guy was a goddamn draft ninja.
This is either shortsighted, a bitch-fit, or both. It's stupid. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
If they hire Brett Veach, you'll know otherwise.
Veach is a Reid puppet. Reid will feed Veach the reports and lead him around by his nose to make sure he gets back to taking lineman in the early rounds. Veach may ultimately report to Hunt but you'll be amazed how well Reid can disguise his lips moving whenever Veach speaks...
This is a power move. No matter how you spin it, Andy Reid held John Dorsey's job in his hands. He could've refused to extend had Dorsey not been re-signed and yet he didn't. Because your alternative to that is that had Reid given that ultimatum, Clark would've broomed both him and Dorsey.
No chance. Dorsey is gone because either Reid wanted it or just didn't give a shit either way. I'm betting on the former.
If you can name one other GM in the history of the NFL to take over the worst team in the league and over the next 4 years average 11 wins and then get FIRED after winning his division and getting a first round bye, perhaps your 'we should've seen this coming' theory would have some merit. But I'm betting this is completely unprecedented and as such, 'expected' it ain't.
Focus on a handful of bad decisions if you'd like (as though no other GM has those), but the scoreboard simply does not lie. This team has gotten younger, deeper and more talented under Dorsey. Is there some dead weight? Yup...welcome to the NFL. There's always dead weight. But on balance there's no way you can say Dorsey did anything other than a great job here.
This is a mistake.
Agree. One thing though: We don't know how the power was split between Dorsey and Reid. And I've rumblings that Ballard was the brains behind the operation. He's gone, too. Thing we just don't know is what Dorsey's value-added was. Maybe a ton, maybe not. [Reply]
Originally Posted by FringeNC:
I find it almost impossible to believe that Hunt is going to blow up the front office after going 12-4 over a couple million per year difference with Dorsey.
Yep. I think this was about long term assurances that Clark wanted for his team that Dorsey wouldn't give him. So, he parted ways sooner, rather than later. :-) [Reply]
I think Andy has had and will continue to have more overall power than we realize. He's had final say in his contract for the past 4 years, and that didn't change. Perhaps that was something Dorsey wanted more flexibility with.
This tweet from LeSean McCoy a couple months back at least tells us that he saw something in Brett Veach.
Brett Veach is our man Brett Veach is our guy ...!!!!!!!
Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19:
I think Andy has had and will continue to have more overall power than we realize. He's had final say in his contract for the past 4 years, and that didn't change. Perhaps that was something Dorsey wanted more flexibility with.
This tweet from LeSean McCoy a couple months back at least tells us that he saw something in Brett Veach.
Brett Veach is our man Brett Veach is our guy ...!!!!!!!
I bet Hunt is paying Reid as the top coach in the league with his new extension and Dorsey was like "I want to be the highest paid GM and these teams have told me they will pay me as such"
And Clark looked at the salary cap and the fact KC only won 1 playoff game in 4 years and decided to pass.
If he's pissed about the playoff losses, why not look at Reid?
Because Smith's the cause of at least one of those losses and nothing Dorsey did to the cap mattered a damn bit in Arrowhead last January. Meanwhile, as Tyreek Hill went screaming uncovered down the field, Andy Reid's handpicked quarterback rolled right and overthrew a runningback.
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
This is a mistake.
From my point of view, it certainly appears to be a mistake. But I don't have all of the facts.
Clark Hunt hasn't made rash decisions in the past. He let Carl hang himself and did the same with Pioli, who he paid more than $20 million to go away. He's continually spoken about continuity in his franchise and has invoked the Steelers as his model. Therefore, the only logical conclusion is what I mentioned yesterday:
Dorsey wouldn't sign an extension without an escape clause allowing him to leave for Green Bay.
It's the only thing that makes sense. Mellinger came to the same conclusion last night.
Now, as for Brett Veach, he interviewed for the Buffalo opening that eventually went to Brandon Beane. Sean McDermott, who worked under Reid for years and knew both Veach and Beane, is running the whole franchise in Buffalo. Final say and all that. If I'm a serious GM candidate, that's not a very favorable setup.
Regardless, Veach has been a hot name in GM circles for a while, so I'm not certain that if he's hired that it means that Reid has consolidated power and now runs the show. If Reid has done so, it either means that he's extremely charming behind the scenes or Clark Hunt, a former Goldman Sachs guy, is extremely gullible. It's hard for me to buy either.
The bottom line is that Clark Hunt just fired the man that's overseen a Chiefs renaissance.
Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19:
It means that he probably knows how to interact well with players, which is key to a good, positive environment. That is part of the job.
Players liking coaches and or General managers doesn't tend to be a good thing. It becomes personal. [Reply]
This is just my .2 cents on the subject. I'm shocked and pissed off just like the majority of you that aren't sitting here slandering Dorsey for doing a great job these past 4 years.
I think this has a lot to do with Dorsey potentially wanting to go back to Green Bay. There was a ton of smoke about this last December and I think there was a lot of truth to that. I think Dorsey wanted an out if Green Bay came calling. That and I think he wanted to be the highest paid GM in the league. I think Clark used his poor cap management against him in the negotiations.
I think we will get the truth somewhere down the line. It's really a terrible look for Clark and the stability he has preached with this organization. [Reply]
I think the real battle is Clark versus Dorsey. I don't think it's Reid versus Dorsey. Clark could have just played this out for a year and not renewed the contract and there wouldn't be this big of a backlash. He's paying Dorsey millions not to be the GM of this team this year. There's something between those two. [Reply]
