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Nzoner's Game Room>*** Official 2017 Royals Repository ***
Chiefspants 10:55 AM 04-05-2017
Chiefsplanet’s (Proposed) 2017 Season Title: One Last Ride

Midish-Season Update (Royals 51-47, 2nd Wild Card, 1.5 GB of ALC):

We're halfway through 2017, and fittingly to the Chiefsplanet's 2017 Season Title, the Royals are all-in on what will likely be one final run with the current core. While many are worried the Royals will take a 2004 style tumble after this year, the farm system is hardly the barren wasteland it was during the Baird years. To see what's in the pipeline and what we have to look forward to, check out this exceptional list and analysis that Duncan put together of our system.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...htmlview#gid=0

While I had the honor of starting this thread this year, Duncan will always have a VIP pass to this OP, and can add more content at any time.

2017's Burning Questions Revisited:

1. What is the threshold between being “buyers” and “sellers” at the deadline?

We're buyers, baby.

In April, I argued that it would be a wise strategy for us to sell if we were 5 GB or worse, but that Dayton would likely add supplemental pieces for us to load up for another run if we were 1-2 GB. On July 24th, the Royals found themselves in sole possession of the 2nd wild card spot and 1.5 games back of the division. In April I said the Royals might pull the trigger on someone like Alex Cobb and resign Luke Hochevar, but since the Rays are also buyers and Luke's shoulder hasn't rebounded, this prediction hasn't come to fruition. Luckily, Dayton Moore again proved much more adept and creative than me by adding Trevor Cahill (good call, Duncan), Brandon Maurer and Ryan Buchter in a single trade. Giving us a solid starter to compete in 2017, and two relievers whom we will control through 2019 and 2021, respectively, keeping Moore's new vision through 2019-2020 intact. Moore has hinted that the Royals will continue to pursue the right deals if they're there, so the fun may not be over just yet. While we may not have the bullets to pull in a "star" like Cueto or Zo, Moore's adeptness may yet again net us what we need for another run in October.

2. Can Gordo and Moose bounce back to 2015 levels?

In April I asked if Gordo could at least set the table at a 265/325/425 clip and if Moose could deliver damage around a 265/335/500 clip for an entire year. This season Mr. Moustakas has been the prospect that was promised, delivering at a 277/307/568 clip as of this update. Gordo, on the other hand, has put up an unbelievably abysmal line thus far. But, if there is a silver lining, it's that Gordo has performed at a 246/311/432 line since June 1st, and if he can continue to perform near that mark, he will be more than a valuable asset at the bottom of the lineup while he continues to provide the best LF defense in the league.

3. Can Ned Yost manage a bullpen?

In April, I felt that despite the poor start, Royals bullpen would ultimately be "solid" this year, but the question was whether "solid" was good enough for Ned. I argued that the Royals needed Soria to bounce back and that Ned would need to start being strategic in his L/L and R/R matchups. While Ned has still made at times baffling and frustrating decisions with his starters (such as allowing Travis Wood to try to "get the win" and still insisting on sending Hammel out for the 6th, he's mostly done a good job).

MASH: Minor/Moylan - Alexander - Soria - Herrera (Credit to C3HIEF3S for the origins of the phrase) have cemented into reliable pieces, and now that Herrera is showing signs of stabilizing, our dumping of Wood, our call up Flynn, and the acquisition of Buchter and Maurer, the Royals have the potential to enter October with one of the best and deepest bullpens in the postseason.

4. Will the Royals find a boost from an unexpected X-Factor to lift them to contention?

Cool-Whit, Boni, Mike ****ing Minor, and Alexander have come up huge thus far. Cool Whit is, incredibly, is second on the team in WAR and has more than replaced Zo's presence on the team. They, like the X-Factors on the 2014-2015 teams, have been critical cogs as we've raced back to contention, while Cool-Whit and Boni also have provided a rosier outlook for this team's future. It's worth noting that Salvador Perez and Jason Vargas has been beasts on offense and the mound (along with Sal providing his customary defensive excellence), but I am still a bit wary of Salvy's annual Yost assisted offensive drought as the team moves into August, along with Vargy regressing to his averages.

5. Can Jorge Soler and Brandon Moss be productive contributors in Kauffman’s dimensions?

Ouch, no, but the Royals shift to power-hitting in the juiced ball era looks like one that will pay off. Thankfully, Moss is showing signs of entering his seasonal hot streak where he becomes corn-fed Jesus for a month, and we'll need him hot to keep up with Cleveland down the stretch. While Jorge has been painful to watch in the majors, his scorching performance in AAA should give one a bright hope for the future. While some may disagree, I offer Moose, Hos, Gordo, and Duffy's struggles as exhibit A for why it is far too early to give up on Soler's potential.

Bonus Question - Is Raul Mondesi truly ready to be an everyday player?

Ha! Not even close. However, like Soler, his progress in AAA is incredibly encouraging. With ceilings like Lindor and floors being Esky being thrown out there, it's hard not to be excited about his future.

The Picture Forward

There are many reasons to be excited, and not only for 2017. The Royals emergence of Cool Whit, Bonifacio, and Scott Alexander, and the fact that we have pieces like Salvador Perez, Danny Duffy, Kelvin Herrera, Jorge Soler, Ryan Buchter, Brandon Maurer Cheslor Cuthbert, and Raul Mondesi until at least 2019 should leave one feeling pretty optimistic. Re-up Moose or Hos (and heck, re-sign Dyson while we're at it), and suddenly this team looks very much like one that could compete for the indefinite future.

The Royals are all in again, buckle in and enjoy the ride.

April OP:

Spoiler!

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bsroyals54 09:45 PM 05-12-2017
Gordon being injured might of been the best thing to happen honestly, thats some dead weight lifted from the lineup for a while
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tk13 09:55 PM 05-12-2017
Originally Posted by bsroyals54:
Gordon being injured might of been the best thing to happen honestly, thats some dead weight lifted from the lineup for a while
It's not exactly like Soler has been tearing it up.

Plus Gordon provides elite defense out there. He's at least contributing something positive.
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bsroyals54 10:15 PM 05-12-2017
Originally Posted by tk13:
It's not exactly like Soler has been tearing it up.

Plus Gordon provides elite defense out there. He's at least contributing something positive.
Don't get me wrong, I hate Soler the most
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RealSNR 11:10 PM 05-12-2017
I didn't think there was a worse hitter in our lineup this year than Raul Mondesi.

Jorge Soler: "Hold my beer."
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Why Not? 11:37 PM 05-12-2017
Originally Posted by RealSNR:
I didn't think there was a worse hitter in our lineup this year than Raul Mondesi.

Jorge Soler: "Hold my beer."

Bahahhahah
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duncan_idaho 10:33 AM 05-13-2017
Doing some research on draft options for KC at #14 in the June Rule IV draft and actually fairly excited about some of the current trends for options for KC (and some good stuff at KC Baseball Prospectus on the two guys I"m going to talk about below).

Coming into the new year, HS SS/SP Hunter Greene and Vanderbilt CF Jeren Kendall were viewed as consensus top 2 picks. Kendall's stock has slid a bit due to some increased K rates at Vanderbilt, to the point he might be available at 14 for Kansas City.

That could be really huge for Kansas City. Kendall is going to stick in CF defensively and has the potential to be a dynamic hitter as well. You could be talking about someone whose best case ranges somewhere between Jackie Bradley, Jr. and George Springer.

His swing and approach would need a little work, but he's an advanced college hitter with good strike zone judgment and is incredibly toolsy. If it all works, he's a .280-.300/20 HR/.375 OBP/.475 SLG/30 SB type in his prime, who plays plus D in CF. His floor would be lower - more of a 4th OF type who needs to be protected against lefties - but the upside and tools KC loves are there.

Another guy who's standing out is Virginia CF Adam Hasely. Hasely has less upside than Kendell - mostly because his power profile is less certain, and he's less likely to stick in CF - but he also has a higher floor. He's an all-around OF type who could play plus defense in a corner, kind of like Adam Eaton (with a little less speed).

Overall, should be an interesting draft. KC has been tied to a lot of HS arms so far, but drafting an advanced college hitter or pitcher probably makes the most sense considering the state of KC's farm system (lacking at advanced levels) and the Royals' track record with HS pitchers (it's not great - they've pulled a few guys through successfully but have thrown a lot of numbers and picks at that spot).

They do have a competitive balance pick this year and will have the No. 15 pool, so there's more flexibility than a year ago.

If the team's recent hot streak doesn't carry them back into contention and they do end up selling, the farm system could jump quite a bit in a short window.

Add a talent like Jeren Kendall to your system through the draft, and move Cain, Hosmer, Moustakas, Herrera, Soria, and Vargas.... paired with some nice talent at the A+ and A levels, and suddenly your 2020 outlook starts to turn back around.

I'd expect returns to be something like:

Cain - top 50 prospect + top 100 prospect or fringe top 100 prospect + lotto ticket
Moustakas - top 50-75 prospect + fringe top 100
Hosmer - top 100 + lotto ticket
Herrera - top 50 prospect + fringe top 100 prospect + lotto ticket
Vargas - fringe top 100 prospect (though maybe more if he continues to carve) + lotto ticket
Soria - fringe top 100 prospect + lotto ticket

If you move all of them, you're looking at a reload that involves adding 3-4 top 100 guys, 3-4 guys somewhere close to that range, and several lottery tickets. Would be like a shot of adrenaline to the heart of the Royals system.
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Sure-Oz 10:09 AM 05-14-2017
@royalsreview: Says trade market could start early this year and one exec says the Royals are "dying to declare" they are sellers. http://nypost.com/2017/05/13/why-mlb...tching-market/
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Bowser 10:21 AM 05-14-2017
Originally Posted by Sure-Oz:
@royalsreview: Says trade market could start early this year and one exec says the Royals are "dying to declare" they are sellers. http://nypost.com/2017/05/13/why-mlb...tching-market/
Based on record alone, I'd agree completely with that article RE: KC. But the crazy thing is that we're only, what, 5 games back? I think that's going to make it very tough on GMDM's decision if he should sell or not....
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Jerok 11:02 AM 05-14-2017
As a fan, I'm kind of dying to declare the sale too, since they're way under .500. But I'm rooting for them to win each game. It's quite the conundrum.
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tk13 11:02 AM 05-14-2017
We're 5.5 back in the division. Technically, we're only 4 back of a wild card spot, despite having the worst record in the American League. Nobody in our division looks really like a world beater quite yet. We're still easily in a spot where a small hot stretch would put us in the mix, if not a division lead. The teams mentioned there... the Rangers have now won 5 in a row, the Jays 4 in a row and we've won 5 of 6... brought the bottom back to the pack.

That info confirms what that Boston Globe writer said last week... the Royals are scouting other teams' systems. That's not a surprise though. I'm sure there's a ton of pull to sell and load this team up for the future.
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Jerok 11:19 AM 05-14-2017
Originally Posted by duncan_idaho:
Cain - top 50 prospect + top 100 prospect or fringe top 100 prospect + lotto ticket
Moustakas - top 50-75 prospect + fringe top 100
Hosmer - top 100 + lotto ticket
Herrera - top 50 prospect + fringe top 100 prospect + lotto ticket
Vargas - fringe top 100 prospect (though maybe more if he continues to carve) + lotto ticket
Soria - fringe top 100 prospect + lotto ticket
This would be great. I just looked, the Royals have no prospects in the top 100. If we don't trade, we are totally jacked lol.

Hoz keeps hitting like this he'll get more.
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duncan_idaho 11:25 AM 05-14-2017
I will get excited about the rebuild if they go into that mode (a surprise to no one here, I'm sure, and especially not to those around before 2013), but if they continue to play well and hang around, I'm fine with them sitting pat or even buying at the deadline.

They might shorten their window by reloading and unloading guys like Minor, Soria, Vargas, Hosmer, Cain, Herrera and Moustakas. But there's no guarantee those returns work out well enough to get you back to the point.

I'd take a team that can contend in 2017 over the potential of contending in 2019...


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Titty Meat 11:58 AM 05-14-2017
Originally Posted by duncan_idaho:
I will get excited about the rebuild if they go into that mode (a surprise to no one here, I'm sure, and especially not to those around before 2013), but if they continue to play well and hang around, I'm fine with them sitting pat or even buying at the deadline.

They might shorten their window by reloading and unloading guys like Minor, Soria, Vargas, Hosmer, Cain, Herrera and Moustakas. But there's no guarantee those returns work out well enough to get you back to the point.

I'd take a team that can contend in 2017 over the potential of contending in 2019...


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Seems like a bad decision to trade 5 good years in the future for 1 good one esepcially with a GM who doesnt draft for shit but makes the best trades.
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suzzer99 01:12 PM 05-14-2017
Is there a rule that players can't take a moving start when tagging up? Seems like they'd get going a lot quicker if they start behind the bag and move, timing it so their foot comes off the bag right when the catch is made.

Instead they start from a standstill - which makes sense for a sprinter as they can't time the gun like a baseball player can time the catch.
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lewdog 01:24 PM 05-14-2017
Get to .500 by the end of May and we've got quite the conundrum on our hands.
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