Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
Originally Posted by loochy:
If you want to hear about lack of ventilators and respiratory therapists, direct inquiries to BRC.
its still pretty damn risky and a option if last resort. Use this or the patient dies kind of thing.
Some of the Respiratory Therapists I’ve spoken to say if the patient needs the same settings, they have had success with dummy patients running one ventilator for two patients. But, none of them have done it with real patients. No one is going to have that experience. Why would you have that experience? It’s a very extreme option.
As I said, when I was in training and everyone in my class tried to do it, we all killed the dummy patients. No one in any class had ever done it successfully. But..... the tech in ventilators are a lot more advanced than back in my day. [Reply]
Originally Posted by O.city:
Actually, some pretty great news. Apparently the virus isn't mutating very much at all as it makes its way thru humanity. It's an RNA virus (RNA is similar to DNA, just a lot more **** ups in the code as the mRNA makes copies, but duh you guys know all about that stuff) so usually they mutate a lot.
With this one not, that's great news in that a singular vaccine can likely take it out.
Don't most viruses get less deadly/dangerous when they mutate? So wouldn't that be a good thing? [Reply]
Originally Posted by BigRedChief:
its still pretty damn risky and a option if last resort. Use this or the patient dies kind of thing.
Some of the Respiratory Therapists I’ve spoken to say if the patient needs the same settings, they have had success with running one ventilator for two patients. But, none of them have done it with real patients. No one is going to have that experience. Why would you have that experience? It’s a very extreme option.
As I said, when I was in training and everyone in my class tried to do it, we all killed the patients. No one in any class had ever done it successfully. But..... the tech in ventilators are a lot more advanced than back in my day.
You contradicted yourself in this post.
...they have had success with running one ventilator for two patients
But, none of them have done it with real patients.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
You contradicted yourself in this post.
...they have had success with running one ventilator for two patients
But, none of them have done it with real patients.
Which is it?
I edited orginal post to clarify. They have done it successfully with two dummy patients. Test dummies. As far as anyone knows, or they know, in real life, in an ICU, it’s never been done in the USA.
In some other countries with a less standard of care, it’s been done.
I’m assuming our Respiratory Therapists are better trained than those countries RT’s. If those other countries can pull it off, we should be able to also. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
"I would love to have the country opened up....by Easter."
So would I. So would everyone else.
This is no sort of referendum on anything.
Bottom line is that he can't do it anyway. These are state/local orders that he has no ability to roll back.
It's not a date certain. It's not a deadline. It's not...anything.
He can't roll back state/local orders. And I don't want to get too political.
But if he is encouraging everyone to get back to work you could have more people not social distancing and increasing the spread, but still be taking a massive hit on the economy because it is mostly still locked down.
If the Feds and the state/local are doing opposite things, you might end up with the worst of both worlds. [Reply]
