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Nzoner's Game Room>*** Official 2017 Royals Repository ***
Chiefspants 10:55 AM 04-05-2017
Chiefsplanet’s (Proposed) 2017 Season Title: One Last Ride

Midish-Season Update (Royals 51-47, 2nd Wild Card, 1.5 GB of ALC):

We're halfway through 2017, and fittingly to the Chiefsplanet's 2017 Season Title, the Royals are all-in on what will likely be one final run with the current core. While many are worried the Royals will take a 2004 style tumble after this year, the farm system is hardly the barren wasteland it was during the Baird years. To see what's in the pipeline and what we have to look forward to, check out this exceptional list and analysis that Duncan put together of our system.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...htmlview#gid=0

While I had the honor of starting this thread this year, Duncan will always have a VIP pass to this OP, and can add more content at any time.

2017's Burning Questions Revisited:

1. What is the threshold between being “buyers” and “sellers” at the deadline?

We're buyers, baby.

In April, I argued that it would be a wise strategy for us to sell if we were 5 GB or worse, but that Dayton would likely add supplemental pieces for us to load up for another run if we were 1-2 GB. On July 24th, the Royals found themselves in sole possession of the 2nd wild card spot and 1.5 games back of the division. In April I said the Royals might pull the trigger on someone like Alex Cobb and resign Luke Hochevar, but since the Rays are also buyers and Luke's shoulder hasn't rebounded, this prediction hasn't come to fruition. Luckily, Dayton Moore again proved much more adept and creative than me by adding Trevor Cahill (good call, Duncan), Brandon Maurer and Ryan Buchter in a single trade. Giving us a solid starter to compete in 2017, and two relievers whom we will control through 2019 and 2021, respectively, keeping Moore's new vision through 2019-2020 intact. Moore has hinted that the Royals will continue to pursue the right deals if they're there, so the fun may not be over just yet. While we may not have the bullets to pull in a "star" like Cueto or Zo, Moore's adeptness may yet again net us what we need for another run in October.

2. Can Gordo and Moose bounce back to 2015 levels?

In April I asked if Gordo could at least set the table at a 265/325/425 clip and if Moose could deliver damage around a 265/335/500 clip for an entire year. This season Mr. Moustakas has been the prospect that was promised, delivering at a 277/307/568 clip as of this update. Gordo, on the other hand, has put up an unbelievably abysmal line thus far. But, if there is a silver lining, it's that Gordo has performed at a 246/311/432 line since June 1st, and if he can continue to perform near that mark, he will be more than a valuable asset at the bottom of the lineup while he continues to provide the best LF defense in the league.

3. Can Ned Yost manage a bullpen?

In April, I felt that despite the poor start, Royals bullpen would ultimately be "solid" this year, but the question was whether "solid" was good enough for Ned. I argued that the Royals needed Soria to bounce back and that Ned would need to start being strategic in his L/L and R/R matchups. While Ned has still made at times baffling and frustrating decisions with his starters (such as allowing Travis Wood to try to "get the win" and still insisting on sending Hammel out for the 6th, he's mostly done a good job).

MASH: Minor/Moylan - Alexander - Soria - Herrera (Credit to C3HIEF3S for the origins of the phrase) have cemented into reliable pieces, and now that Herrera is showing signs of stabilizing, our dumping of Wood, our call up Flynn, and the acquisition of Buchter and Maurer, the Royals have the potential to enter October with one of the best and deepest bullpens in the postseason.

4. Will the Royals find a boost from an unexpected X-Factor to lift them to contention?

Cool-Whit, Boni, Mike ****ing Minor, and Alexander have come up huge thus far. Cool Whit is, incredibly, is second on the team in WAR and has more than replaced Zo's presence on the team. They, like the X-Factors on the 2014-2015 teams, have been critical cogs as we've raced back to contention, while Cool-Whit and Boni also have provided a rosier outlook for this team's future. It's worth noting that Salvador Perez and Jason Vargas has been beasts on offense and the mound (along with Sal providing his customary defensive excellence), but I am still a bit wary of Salvy's annual Yost assisted offensive drought as the team moves into August, along with Vargy regressing to his averages.

5. Can Jorge Soler and Brandon Moss be productive contributors in Kauffman’s dimensions?

Ouch, no, but the Royals shift to power-hitting in the juiced ball era looks like one that will pay off. Thankfully, Moss is showing signs of entering his seasonal hot streak where he becomes corn-fed Jesus for a month, and we'll need him hot to keep up with Cleveland down the stretch. While Jorge has been painful to watch in the majors, his scorching performance in AAA should give one a bright hope for the future. While some may disagree, I offer Moose, Hos, Gordo, and Duffy's struggles as exhibit A for why it is far too early to give up on Soler's potential.

Bonus Question - Is Raul Mondesi truly ready to be an everyday player?

Ha! Not even close. However, like Soler, his progress in AAA is incredibly encouraging. With ceilings like Lindor and floors being Esky being thrown out there, it's hard not to be excited about his future.

The Picture Forward

There are many reasons to be excited, and not only for 2017. The Royals emergence of Cool Whit, Bonifacio, and Scott Alexander, and the fact that we have pieces like Salvador Perez, Danny Duffy, Kelvin Herrera, Jorge Soler, Ryan Buchter, Brandon Maurer Cheslor Cuthbert, and Raul Mondesi until at least 2019 should leave one feeling pretty optimistic. Re-up Moose or Hos (and heck, re-sign Dyson while we're at it), and suddenly this team looks very much like one that could compete for the indefinite future.

The Royals are all in again, buckle in and enjoy the ride.

April OP:

Spoiler!

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C3HIEF3S 09:18 AM 05-10-2017
Seth Maness may be on his way to TB from what I'm seeing. If true:

A. Someone on the 40-man is going to be gone.
B. I believe he'll be the fastest pitcher to recover from a UCL tear. He's right around 8.5 months removed from surgery right now.
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siberian khatru 09:22 AM 05-10-2017
Originally Posted by C3HIEF3S:
Seth Maness may be on his way to TB from what I'm seeing. If true:

A. Someone on the 40-man is going to be gone.
B. I believe he'll be the fastest pitcher to recover from a UCL tear. He's right around 8.5 months removed from surgery right now.
Young's the obvious choice.

The next two names: Bubba Starling and Kyle Zimmer.
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duncan_idaho 09:40 AM 05-10-2017
Originally Posted by siberian khatru:
Young's the obvious choice.



The next two names: Bubba Starling and Kyle Zimmer.

Chris Young would make a lot of sense there, though I suspect the team still thinks he is valuable.

I doubt it's Starling or Zimmer. Another team would snatch up either for his upside in a heartbeat.




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duncan_idaho 09:44 AM 05-10-2017
Originally Posted by Prison Bitch:
Man, I don't see that at all. Finally fixing our 2B with a 2 war guy for 4 years sounds great to me.

It would be a perfectly fine return and likely a pretty good one. Just not exciting at all.


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siberian khatru 10:07 AM 05-10-2017
Originally Posted by duncan_idaho:
Chris Young would make a lot of sense there, though I suspect the team still thinks he is valuable.

I doubt it's Starling or Zimmer. Another team would snatch up either for his upside in a heartbeat.

I get that. But look at that list: Who else would you dump? Colon, possibly, since they don't seem to believe in him, and Torres could fill his spot as infield depth if a need arises.

Pretty much everybody else on that list you could see as organizational depth -- McCarthy/Edwards if they need a bullpen arm for a week, Gallagher if they need a backup C for 10 days, Gore as a PR ... you can see at least a short-term role for each one.

Zimmer offers you nothing because he can't get on the field, and Starling, who turns 25 in August, is just drowning at this point. So, yeah, they still have some potential IF IF IF IF IF ...

At what point do the Royals move on?
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DeepSouth 10:39 AM 05-10-2017
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/kansas-city-royals

Right-hander Seth Maness is on his way to St. Petersburg to join the Royals prior to tonight’s game against the Rays, reports Derrick Goold of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch (Twitter link). The Royals have a full 40-man roster, so in order to formally select Maness’ contract, they’ll need to either designate someone for assignment or move a player from the 10-day DL to the 60-day DL.

The promotion of Maness, 28, comes with a fair bit of intrigue. The longtime Cardinals reliever tore the ulnar collateral ligament in his right elbow last summer, but rather than electing the typical Tommy John surgery as treatment, Maness instead underwent a newer “primary repair” surgery that comes with a shorter recovery. (Goold chronicled the details of that operation earlier this year in a must-read column for those who aren’t familiar with the surgery.) Maness will now return to the Majors less than nine months after going under the knife, and he’s already tossed six innings in Triple-A as well.

A healthy Maness would be a boon to a Royals bullpen that ranks 23rd in baseball with a 4.60 ERA (though their 4.00 FIP, 3.91 xFIP and 3.77 SIERA all suggest the current unit could turn things around). From 2013-15, Maness averaged 72 appearances per season for the Cardinals, serving as one of their most durable and most dependable bullpen arms. To this point in his career, he’s compiled 237 1/3 innings with a strong 3.19 ERA. Maness doesn’t miss many bats (5.8 K/9), but he offsets that lack of whiffs with pristine control (1.7 BB/9) and an excellent 59.4 percent ground-ball rate.

If Maness is indeed healthy from this point forth, it’s easy to envision other pitchers that suffer partial UCL tears during the season electing the primary repair surgery as a means of treatment, assuming they meet the requirements for the procedure. (As Goold explains in the aforementioned story, the surgery is only an option for those with partial tears and is dependent on both the location and severity of the tear.) And beyond that, the Royals could reap the benefits for several years. Maness is returning to the Majors with three years and 154 days of Major League service time, meaning the Royals can control him via arbitration through the 2019 season.
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duncan_idaho 11:18 AM 05-10-2017
Originally Posted by siberian khatru:
I get that. But look at that list: Who else would you dump? Colon, possibly, since they don't seem to believe in him, and Torres could fill his spot as infield depth if a need arises.



Pretty much everybody else on that list you could see as organizational depth -- McCarthy/Edwards if they need a bullpen arm for a week, Gallagher if they need a backup C for 10 days, Gore as a PR ... you can see at least a short-term role for each one.



Zimmer offers you nothing because he can't get on the field, and Starling, who turns 25 in August, is just drowning at this point. So, yeah, they still have some potential IF IF IF IF IF ...



At what point do the Royals move on?

I'd dump Torres or Colon and be fine with it.

The Royals will move on from those two when all patience is exhausted with them. Too much natural ability to take that risk lightly.


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KChiefs1 11:19 AM 05-10-2017
Originally Posted by SBInfinity:
Wade Davis 0.00 ERA

Jorge Soler .000 avg

http://www.baseballisfun.com/2017/05...y-to-a-record/



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Chiefspants 11:29 AM 05-10-2017
Originally Posted by duncan_idaho:
I'd dump Torres or Colon and be fine with it.

The Royals will move on from those two when all patience is exhausted with them. Too much natural ability to take that risk lightly.


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Starling becoming a star with a big market keeps Dayton up at night.

To be fair, this fear is what caused them to retain Hoch. Can you imagine if he became a lockdown bullpen piece for another squad in the postseason? It would have added more fuel to fire against the org at that time.
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siberian khatru 11:43 AM 05-10-2017
Originally Posted by duncan_idaho:
I'd dump Torres or Colon and be fine with it.

The Royals will move on from those two when all patience is exhausted with them. Too much natural ability to take that risk lightly.


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I'd dump Colon, too. Torres, I'd keep around because he can play SS better than Colon or Whit, and I wouldn't bring Mondesi back up until he had a record of success at AAA.


My patience with Zimmer is exhausted, and I'm almost at that point with Bubba. :-)
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Strongside 12:56 PM 05-10-2017

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Prison Bitch 12:57 PM 05-10-2017
I don't see how we could replace Colon's chop outs to SS. You know: when he hits the ball straight into the ground, and it bounces twice softly into the SS glove
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mr. tegu 01:22 PM 05-10-2017
Originally Posted by Prison Bitch:
I don't see how we could replace Colon's chop outs to SS. You know: when he hits the ball straight into the ground, and it bounces twice softly into the SS glove
He had the biggest chopper in Royals history!
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C3HIEF3S 01:29 PM 05-10-2017

Royals have selected contracts of Seth Maness and Al Alburquerque, DFA'd Christian Colon and Pete O'Brien and optioned Jake Junis.

— Rustin Dodd (@rustindodd) May 10, 2017


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AJKCFAN 01:38 PM 05-10-2017
Originally Posted by C3HIEF3S:

Figures Colons last game as a Royal would be a 12 inning win....
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