Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
Originally Posted by Bearcat:
Joe's seems like the better value as well. $/lb of meat is about the same, but Joe's will throw in sauce and/or seasoning, or in the case of the z-man kit, you also get buns, cheese, onion rings, and two bottles of sauce. Things that aren't expensive for them to throw in, but make paying $80 for a couple pounds of meat a little more worth it. Joe's sides are cheaper, too (of course, Jack Stack sides are the best around).
Instant Pot was perfect for prep, too.
I'd definitely put Joe's fries up against Jack Stack's. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Bearcat:
Joe's seems like the better value as well. $/lb of meat is about the same, but Joe's will throw in sauce and/or seasoning, or in the case of the z-man kit, you also get buns, cheese, onion rings, and two bottles of sauce. Things that aren't expensive for them to throw in, but make paying $80 for a couple pounds of meat a little more worth it. Joe's sides are cheaper, too (of course, Jack Stack sides are the best around).
Instant Pot was perfect for prep, too.
$86.00 for two pounds of ends from Joe's. I think it comes with sauce.
Originally Posted by LiL stumppy:
This is my exact point, I suppose. From day 1, I've believed this to be severe and worth keeping an eye on. Maybe that was just my anxiety, or the fact weeks before this took off, I watched the Netflix original show Pandemic and how one is inevitable, at any point. I still maintain the stance that this is much more severe than the flu and needs to be handled as such.
But the economic impact will be significant and I don't think anyone can downplay that. Personally, I would much rather be poor, sharing a house with my entire family if they are alive and healthy than to lose a few family members to this disease.
It's just the same frustrating cycle that we see in the scientific community and politics. Your background, your career, your ethnicity, and socioeconomic background are probably curtailing your view on this pandemic more than the facts...
But the real concern. What are the facts, who do we trust and who do we follow? Because there's a whole lot of people on both sides of this thing.
I get that but really the answers are out there. Just listen to the people who are the front lines dealing with this. There's a pretty common trend if you listen to the doctors and nurses who are dealing with this in the hard hit areas. From China to Italy to Washington to New Jersey. They're literally all saying this is not the flu. In severe cases you'll be stable then deteriorate quickly, in a matter of hours, ending up with septic shock and organ failure.
At the same time, out of every 100,000 people that get the flu, 61 go to the hospital. Do you think this is going along at the same rate? Are you seeing hospitals be overwhelmed every winter with flu patients?
There is no both sides to this thing. The facts are out there. There is a ton we don't know but there are clearly things going on we can see that are not normal. People have the freedom to ignore all that though to listen to some dude you went to high school with on Facebook. [Reply]
Originally Posted by mr. tegu:
Can you elaborate? Where did you go? Letting in certain amounts of people?
Costco was stocked well for all that is going on, they left in so many people then allow them so shop and leave then let in another batch of people. [Reply]
Yeah, that's the thing... they're both expensive as hell, but you at least get ~$5-10 of extras with Joe's.
Outside of some kind of sale, I'd probably only do the Z-Man kit again... comes out to $10/sandwich before shipping and it's a decent amount of meat on each one. [Reply]
Originally Posted by LiL stumppy:
This is my exact point, I suppose. From day 1, I've believed this to be severe and worth keeping an eye on. Maybe that was just my anxiety, or the fact weeks before this took off, I watched the Netflix original show Pandemic and how one is inevitable, at any point. I still maintain the stance that this is much more severe than the flu and needs to be handled as such.
But the economic impact will be significant and I don't think anyone can downplay that. Personally, I would much rather be poor, sharing a house with my entire family if they are alive and healthy than to lose a few family members to this disease.
It's just the same frustrating cycle that we see in the scientific community and politics. Your background, your career, your ethnicity, and socioeconomic background are probably curtailing your view on this pandemic more than the facts...
But the real concern. What are the facts, who do we trust and who do we follow? Because there's a whole lot of people on both sides of this thing.
As far as reliable info goes my best advice is pay no attention to the ones who bought whole "Fake news" bullshit. At least on CP you find a those that did and still do are the ones pushing the "it's no worse than the flu BS". [Reply]
Shouldn’t be surprising if the virus comes back once people start congregating/living again.
Will be interesting to see if China can turn themselves back on without another explosive increase in cases. If that’s not doable then we will be on lockdown until there are no cases for a full month (given that some people test positive for up to a month after exhibiting symptoms).
I know they want to give people some light at the end of the tunnel but the only way to make it work is to completely shut it down and then not let people travel between states/countries until there are no cases anywhere. It will get better with social distancing, but we won’t have freedom of movement until it is gone or there is a vaccine. [Reply]
