Sources: The #Seahawks and #Chiefs are deep in talks on a trade to send star Frank Clark to KC. The compensation would include a 1st rounder, a 2020 2nd rounder and a swap of mid-rounders. To complete it, the franchise tagged player and Chiefs must hammer out a deal.
1. Opportunity cost doesn't really apply when you're shooting pool blindfolded, flipping nickles, or picking late in a first round and you can't distinguish the players potentially available at your position from 2nd round talent. We might be able to trade up, but that would cost us more. The NFL is "win now" or stuff a sock in it.
2. It's hard to see a first round pick go when we didn't have one last year. It seems like a lot. The 2020 2nd is like turning the knife.
3. Clark is a monster and will likely have an immediate positive impact. There's no reason to really doubt that.
4. Unless I missed it, I have no idea what his contract is going to look like. That's a crucial factor.
Having said all that, this may actually be a pretty fair trade. Value for value in a position of need and (potentially) immediate contribution. Clark is a more "sure" bet than anyone we would probably pick in the first in this draft.
I don't award or subtract any Veach Power Points for this deal. I'll have to see the terms of the contract and its potential impact on Jones, Tyreek, Mahomes, etc.
Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Hate:
That dude is sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo fucking lucky he gets the "development time" aspect. I'd imagine it's something he thanks god daily for at this point.
:-) you're in a thread locking arms with OKChiefs and standing on the shoulders of one crazykirk! UChieffyBugger will be flying in to offer aerial support shortly! [Reply]
Originally Posted by Iconic:
And? Say you halve each of those numbers in year one, and you even lower Fuller's AAV to 12m. Where the bloody hell do you get the extra room when they become bloated numbers the following years? Clark doesn't have an out till after year 3. In that third year all these guys will be on contracts that reflect their actual AAV.
It's not going to get pretty and one of the big names is going to be the odd man out. An accelerated cap is not going to account for a 30-40m cap difference + raised salaries.
The way I see it we just traded a generational talent in Hill + picks for Clark.
You're gonna have guys like Fisher, LDT, Watkins, Hitchens etc being replaced with cheaper players. That's probably where you're money is going to come from. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Hate:
That dude is sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo fucking lucky he gets the "development time" aspect. I'd imagine it's something he thanks god daily for at this point.
That's one thing we're in agreement on here. Veach still has a lot to prove.
While i'm happy that we finally got an impact player (which i said i expected to get all along), he didn't exactly pull one on Seattle.
His compensation for both Ford and Peters was weak.
And his draft class thus far leaves a lot to be desired.
Originally Posted by St. Patty's Fire:
Man, the overreaction in this thread is incredible. I understand being wary of the price but at the very least you should acknowledge that Clark is a game wrecker, more so than Ford or Houston.
Seeing shit like “we basically traded Hill+ for Clark” makes me want to die
No one’s gonna give two shits about these picks when we bring home the Lamar Hunt trophy and hopefully the SB.
No, as I said earlier, all these guys bitching about it are going to be lining up with tears of joy streaming down their face to suck Brett Veach's dick while he hoists the Lombardi over his head.
Originally Posted by BryanBusby:
Man if only we kept 29 so we can stroke our dicks over drafting a fucking Center
:-) You laugh, but knowing "golden child"? That's probably the horse we would have rode out on.
You know what? I'm liking this trade more and more. In fact, the more I think about it, why not get two to three proven assets every year instead of going to the draft at all? We don't need those 4th, 5th, and 6th round scrubs, because our team ain't gonna' be nuthin' but PRIMO TALENT, BABY!
AND WHEN THAT CAP JUMPS UP TO 300 BILLION PER YEAR, BY GOD WE WILL BE THE GREATEST DYNASTY IN THE HISTORY OF TOASTED MARSHMALLOWS! [Reply]
Love getting Clark. He will make a huge difference. Overpaid, but I love the fact the Chiefs are not sitting back and wasting another Mahomes year, which I think they did keeping Sutton on board.
Clark makes us the AFC favorite. We still need a CB maybe two and could use a LB upgrade, which will not happen in the draft unless we reach. [Reply]
Originally Posted by FAX:
1. Opportunity cost doesn't really apply when you're shooting pool blindfolded, flipping nickles, or picking late in a first round and you can't distinguish the players potentially available at your position from 2nd round talent. We might be able to trade up, but that would cost us more. The NFL is "win now" or stuff a sock in it.
2. It's hard to see a first round pick go when we didn't have one last year. It seems like a lot. The 2020 2nd is like turning the knife.
3. Clark is a monster and will likely have an immediate positive impact. There's no reason to really doubt that.
4. Unless I missed it, I have no idea what his contract is going to look like. That's a crucial factor.
Having said all that, this may actually be a pretty fair trade. Value for value in a position of need and (potentially) immediate contribution. Clark is a more "sure" bet than anyone we would probably pick in the first in this draft.
I don't award or subtract any Veach Power Points for this deal. I'll have to see the terms of the contract and its potential impact on Jones, Tyreek, Mahomes, etc.
FAX
5 Yrs, 105M with a potential opt-out at year 3.
Reports have been that this has no impact on Chris Jones and the Chiefs and his agents are still working a contract that will pay him $20M annually.
And Mahomes? :-) NOTHING is getting in the way of a Mahomes contract. They'll cut this whole fucking roster before they let him walk, so he's not even a part of the "What-if" equation.
Reek's off field drama is reason enough to let him play it out, then tag him next O/S and work on his contract then. At that point, they can give him Watkins' money. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Hate: :-) You laugh, but knowing "golden child"? That's probably the horse we would have rode out on.
You know what? I'm liking this trade more and more. In fact, the more I think about it, why not get two to three proven assets every year instead of going to the draft at all? We don't need those 4th, 5th, and 6th round scrubs, because our team ain't gonna' be nuthin' but PRIMO TALENT, BABY!
AND WHEN THAT CAP JUMPS UP TO 300 BILLION PER YEAR, BY GOD WE WILL BE THE GREATEST DYNASTY IN THE HISTORY OF TOASTED MARSHMALLOWS!
Originally Posted by tmax63:
Simple question.
Would you rather pay Dee Ford and Justin Houston 38 million dollars this year or.....
Pay Frank Clark and Alex Okafor 27 million dollars give or take?