CP loves to treat the symptom while at times ignoring the disease.
Since everyone wants to be cool and bash the lame ass QB we have, we might want to look just a little deeper and discuss the HC that hand selected him to be the QB of this team.
We aren't going anywhere with Reid's preparations and game plans. His play calling is pathetic and predictable. His tendency's to remove the WRs from the game plan is inexcusable.
Until we get rid of Reid, we are stuck with Smith... [Reply]
Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88:
Seattle's WR's caught 17 TD passes last year.
The Chiefs WR's have zero through 13 games.
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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower:
Best case scenario is something like the Seahawks whose core players were mostly drafted from 2010-2012 for a win in 2013.
Visually, and including second stringers and UDFAs:
2010: Golden Tate, Russel Okung, Kam Chancellor, Earl Thomas, Walter Thurmond Lemuel Jeanpierre
2011: KJ Wright, Richard Sherman, Malcolm Smith, James Carpenter, Byron MaxwellDoug Baldwin
2012: Russell Wilson, JR Sweezy, Bobby Wagner, Bruce Irvin, Robert TurbinJermaine Kearse, DeShawn Shead
11 starters.
Thomas and Chancellor made the Pro Bowl in their second season in '11 with Thomas being joined by Okung and Wilson in '12.
Extrapolating that out for KC's sake, but saying 2016 is the payoff year.
2012: Poe, Allen, Stephenson, Gray, Hemingway
2013: Fisher, Kelce, Davis, Nico Johnson, Commings, Kush, Catapano (Cooper, off the waiver wire) Hammond, Dem. Harris, Josh Martin
2014: Ford, Gaines, D'AT, Murray, Fulton, Duvernay-Tardif Santos, Al Wilson,
Poe made the PB in his second year.. And there isn't anyone from the '13 draft class that looks like they're far enough along to warrant that kind of consideration.
Of course this is comparing a world champion team in '13 in Seattle to a backed-in to the postseason with a wildcard Kansas City. Recognizing the 'hawks roster doesn't prove it's impossible for KC to win anything.
My point being is that a team that won the SB recently did it through a solid slate of drafting and depth UDFA pickups. Three of their 2010 picks were starters and one was a second stringer at the end of 2011. Then it was four 2010 picks starting with two backups joined by three 2011 picks on the starting along with two backups.
Poe and (at the moment) Allen are the only starters picked from 2012, Fisher and Cooper are the only '13 picks starting. That's 2 or 3 starters, 4 if you include Allen. Next year, there might only be three more guys from 2013 cracking the starting lineup in Kelce, Kush or Hammond. That's 6-7 guys acquired from '12 and '13 coming in as starters: and only one of them is at the level of a very good player in Poe.
Take that into consideration and Dorsey will need to have ALL of the guys acquired in '14 to become above average stars to duplicate the success the Seahawks had in 2013 for a Super Bowl run in 2015. Is that probable? No, and that's not a pessimistic thing to say.
Then you look to 2016, which would mean the guys from '14 are well established veterans who garner pro bowl consideration and the guys drafted in 2015 are developing into role players with some starters mixed in. Will that net a championship? Unlikely, unless there are two or three guys from the '15 draft who flash pro bowl level talent after less than two seasons in the league, so you look to the next season then.
So, really, 2017 might be when we can start to think a championship is based somewhat in reality. My issue with this is that it relies heavily on the guys drafted four months ago being top-flight league talent.. And while it's certainly possible, it would mean KC has a guy as good or better than Houston at OLB in Dee Ford, a Sproles-like playmaker in D'AT, a very good corner in Gaines, Murray as the starting QB, Albert Wilson as a lights-out #2 receiver and Fulton and DVT as excellent interior linemen with Santos being a clutch kicker. That's a LOOOOOOONG list of what-ifs.
Thus logically the Chiefs, assuming they are going to win anything, have yet to draft the guys who will be the foundation capable of earning a Lombardi. That means KC is a year away from beginning to lay that foundation, and ONLY if Dorsey proves to be a better evaluator of talent and a GM savvy enough to sign FAs and re-sign guys who are key more so than what he's demonstrated so far.
Originally Posted by Reerun_KC:
It was the Oakland game that finally drove the nail in the coffin for Reerun...
I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt with the lack of talent on this roster. But when he had 10 days to prepare for Denver and came out and turned Arrowhead into Brokeback Arrowhead, it was time to start saying something about it here.
Its easy to blast Smith, you learn to blame the QB in CP 101 for everything...
But its time that Reid is held accountable.
he cannot prep fpor the raiders or broncos, and todasy we got ref fucked, but nothing special in the play calling I was telling the people next to me what would be called nad , none of it worked... [Reply]
Originally Posted by SNR:
Not that we have a chance at bringing him aboard, but once Rex gets fired from NY, he would be perfect to work with Reid.
But Reid will be loyal to a fault and fuck it up. Won't even bother picking up the phone.
I think Sutton will get looks for head coaching. In which case, agree that Ryan is a great fit and we'd be a prime candidate to get him.
The problem is, our defense has been excellent this year even being down personnel. I think Ryan gets us better rotations, but apart from that, he's not going to fix the problems on offense. Despite what people on here say, a new oline or receivers won't fix those problems as much as we insist they will. [Reply]