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Nzoner's Game Room>IS THERE a price that’s too high for you to pay Mahomes?
Redbled 11:25 AM 05-24-2020
Originally Posted by BigRedChief:
Pieces of the franchise are not allowed in the CBA. Nor are promises of additional money after their playing days are over.
Isn’t that what the Donkeys tried to cheat and do?

Just pay Brit 5 mill a year as a fitness consultant.
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Chief Roundup 09:38 PM 05-23-2020
Originally Posted by Jerok:
If he demands 70 mil I pay him 40 and give him 5% of the franchise.
If he demands 100 mil I trade him for 4 firsts, 3 seconds, 2 thirds, and 1 fourth, after getting 5 years + 2 years tag out of him.
He can always hold out which ties up that cap figure leaving us without him or the money to kind as good a replacement as possible. He will not do a year on the tag let alone 2. Remember there were rumblings that his agent wanted a new contract this off-season or he might not play in 2020-2022 season but Mahomes squashed that notion.

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Jerok 09:48 PM 05-23-2020
Originally Posted by Chief Roundup:
He can always hold out which ties up that cap figure leaving us without him or the money to kind as good a replacement as possible. He will not do a year on the tag let alone 2. Remember there were rumblings that his agent wanted a new contract this off-season or he might not play in 2020-2022 season but Mahomes squashed that notion.

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The new CBA makes it harder to hold out. I'm not sure how this works exactly, but $40,000 per day and losing a year of time toward free agency sounds promising. Not sure how it works on a tagged player though, if he would have to come back and play on the tag.
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big nasty kcnut 09:04 PM 05-23-2020
No.
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OrtonsPiercedTaint 09:14 PM 05-23-2020
I think the model is to take less. So there is more for the officials
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Wisconsin_Chief 09:27 PM 05-23-2020
I’d just like to say that I hope Patrick Mahomes the second continues to play for my favorite football team which is the Kansas City Chiefs. I think he’s a splendid player.
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PHOG 06:39 AM 05-24-2020
No. :-)
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RealSNR 10:30 AM 05-24-2020
I don't think a QB making 15% has ever won a Super Bowl. Or maybe it's 18%. Can't remember.

Matt Ryan should have been the first, but Ratface Jr. took that away from him.
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RunKC 04:16 PM 05-24-2020
Originally Posted by RealSNR:
I don't think a QB making 15% has ever won a Super Bowl. Or maybe it's 18%. Can't remember.

Matt Ryan should have been the first, but Ratface Jr. took that away from him.
Let’s examine who those QB’s are.

Matt Ryan, Cam, Eli Manning, Matt Stafford, Jimmy Grapes etc. Those are the “good but not great” QB’s who have to have a fuck ton of help to win the Super Bowl, which is why you should t pay them top dollar. Dak Prescott is the very definition of this principle.

Then you have guys who truly deserve it like Rodgers and Wilson, but their management is trash. Look at all the fuck ups those teams have had in the draft?

Mahomes taking up 20-25% of the cap should not affect our chances having a goddamn legend at QB.

The closest thing to Mahomes the last 10 years is Aaron Rodgers, who took an ineptly ran franchise to 3 conference championships the last 7 years; almost 4 if not for an OT loss in the divisional rd.

He probably takes the Packers to 4 conference championships and a Super Bowl or two if he has competent management behind him.
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RINGLEADER 05:11 PM 05-24-2020
Originally Posted by RunKC:
Let’s examine who those QB’s are.

Matt Ryan, Cam, Eli Manning, Matt Stafford, Jimmy Grapes etc. Those are the “good but not great” QB’s who have to have a **** ton of help to win the Super Bowl, which is why you should t pay them top dollar. Dak Prescott is the very definition of this principle.

Then you have guys who truly deserve it like Rodgers and Wilson, but their management is trash. Look at all the **** ups those teams have had in the draft?

Mahomes taking up 20-25% of the cap should not affect our chances having a goddamn legend at QB.

The closest thing to Mahomes the last 10 years is Aaron Rodgers, who took an ineptly ran franchise to 3 conference championships the last 7 years; almost 4 if not for an OT loss in the divisional rd.

He probably takes the Packers to 4 conference championships and a Super Bowl or two if he has competent management behind him.
These are good points though I think there is a point where you can’t help but suck (or need home runs out of your draft picks and FA scrubs) for it to work. I still contend Giselle was the MVP of the Patriots for creating a situation where money was never a need or a goal of Brady’s. If we can figure out a way for Brittany to make $50 million/year then I think this whole conversation becomes moot.
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RealSNR 06:30 PM 05-24-2020
Originally Posted by RunKC:
Let’s examine who those QB’s are.

Matt Ryan, Cam, Eli Manning, Matt Stafford, Jimmy Grapes etc. Those are the “good but not great” QB’s who have to have a fuck ton of help to win the Super Bowl, which is why you should t pay them top dollar. Dak Prescott is the very definition of this principle.

Then you have guys who truly deserve it like Rodgers and Wilson, but their management is trash. Look at all the fuck ups those teams have had in the draft?

Mahomes taking up 20-25% of the cap should not affect our chances having a goddamn legend at QB.

The closest thing to Mahomes the last 10 years is Aaron Rodgers, who took an ineptly ran franchise to 3 conference championships the last 7 years; almost 4 if not for an OT loss in the divisional rd.

He probably takes the Packers to 4 conference championships and a Super Bowl or two if he has competent management behind him.
In the Packers lone SB year with Rodgers, Ted Thompson actually spent money on guys like Cullen Jenkins and Charles Woodson on their defense. Even then, they had to ACE a ton of drafts to acquire the depth that they did have. At least, that's how they chose to build their team.

I'm not worried about the offense with Mahomes and Andy Reid, and when Andy retires, Mahomes will have things down such that he's basically running the show anyway, kind of like how Tom Moore barely had to lift a finger on those Indy teams with Manning. But when Rodgers lost his great defensive players like Woodson and Jenkins, Ted Thompson failed at drafting replacements, and when he failed, he didn't account for those mistakes and barely ever acquired veteran free agents to fill those gaps.

And that's how Aaron Rodgers only won a single Super Bowl in his career.

We can lose some guys (especially the ones not performing up to their contracts like Hitchens) but when you start pushing past 20% of the cap taken up by one player EVERY YEAR (where there's no maturation of the contract with the yearly cap rise) then it's not just one or a few of those glue guys on defense that you're losing. It's multiples. Potentially all of them. Or one of your stars. Or you find some way to squeeze them all in but then miss out on an important 1-year veteran signing that could put things over the top for your defense.
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DRM08 08:14 PM 05-24-2020
Originally Posted by RunKC:
Let’s examine who those QB’s are.

Matt Ryan, Cam, Eli Manning, Matt Stafford, Jimmy Grapes etc. Those are the “good but not great” QB’s who have to have a **** ton of help to win the Super Bowl, which is why you should t pay them top dollar. Dak Prescott is the very definition of this principle.

Then you have guys who truly deserve it like Rodgers and Wilson, but their management is trash. Look at all the **** ups those teams have had in the draft?

Mahomes taking up 20-25% of the cap should not affect our chances having a goddamn legend at QB.

The closest thing to Mahomes the last 10 years is Aaron Rodgers, who took an ineptly ran franchise to 3 conference championships the last 7 years; almost 4 if not for an OT loss in the divisional rd.

He probably takes the Packers to 4 conference championships and a Super Bowl or two if he has competent management behind him.
Valid points. Top level for QB contract is usually 18 to 18.5% of the cap. That's about where Rodgers and Wilson were at the time they signed their most recent contracts.
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Bowser 10:32 AM 05-24-2020
I mean, what is the price of a generational talent playing the most important position on the field who is capable of bringing multiple championships for his team?
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ThyKingdomCome15 12:17 PM 05-24-2020
If he wanted 100 million a year I'd pay it. I'd pay for 'Reek, Kelce, Watkins, Fisher, and Schwartz. On D I'd pay Mathieu, Clark, maybe Jones. The rest of the team would be made of all players on their rookie deals and vets on one year minimums.
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Perineum Ripper 12:40 PM 05-24-2020

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