Now Charleston Southern (a miserable team from deep) got weirdly hot from behind the line in that game, but still - 45 points in a half to that team is just completely unacceptable.
I don't really know what the hell to do about the turnovers at this point. For 2 years I could make excuses when the team had basically one ballhandler and that was Jordan Geist, who wasn't particularly good at it. Pinson was a freshman so that's youth at work.
But now you have Smith, Smith and Pinson with a year under his belt. Kobe Brown can even handle the ball a bit. Pickett tends to be a smart player who will make the right pass so long as it's a basic one.
At this point it just seems like it has to be a coaching issue; something that isn't being prioritized.
The turnovers being a constant and the seemingly routine poor starts against quality opponents are just things you almost HAVE to pin on Martin at this point. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
Yeah, that's unbelievably bad.
Now Charleston Southern (a miserable team from deep) got weirdly hot from behind the line in that game, but still - 45 points in a half to that team is just completely unacceptable.
I don't really know what the hell to do about the turnovers at this point. For 2 years I could make excuses when the team had basically one ballhandler and that was Jordan Geist, who wasn't particularly good at it. Pinson was a freshman so that's youth at work.
But now you have Smith, Smith and Pinson with a year under his belt. Kobe Brown can even handle the ball a bit. Pickett tends to be a smart player who will make the right pass so long as it's a basic one.
At this point it just seems like it has to be a coaching issue; something that isn't being prioritized.
The turnovers being a constant and the seemingly routine poor starts against quality opponents are just things you almost HAVE to pin on Martin at this point.
Well, they spend practically no time at practice on offense, apparently. So that’s probably the biggest issue.
That, and Martin isn’t a good game coach.
I retract my expectation of this team being on the bubble (but not making it in) in March. Not happening. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
So what'd they spend time on in practice this week?
How the !@#$ do you give up a 45 point half to Charleston Southern?!?!
{facepalm}
A great question. I don’t know what he does.
Everything that’s happening right now is why I was firmly in the NO camp on Martin before they hired him.
He’s not a great recruiter - rep is overblown
He doesn’t develop talent
He isn’t a great game coach (or even a good one, really)
And he doesn’t maximize his talent. His Tennessee and Cal teams were LOADED with talent and he did nothing with it. That Stokes-McRae-Richardson-Maymon team at Tennessee that went to the Sweet 16 was as talented as any Mizzou squad I can think of, save the 08-09 team. And at Cal, he had a trio of pro guards, plus two lottery picks, plus another pro forward in Stephen Domingo, and couldn’t get past the first round. [Reply]
Originally Posted by duncan_idaho:
A great question. I don’t know what he does.
Everything that’s happening right now is why I was firmly in the NO camp on Martin before they hired him.
He’s not a great recruiter - rep is overblown
He doesn’t develop talent
He isn’t a great game coach (or even a good one, really)
And he doesn’t maximize his talent. His Tennessee and Cal teams were LOADED with talent and he did nothing with it. That Stokes-McRae-Richardson-Maymon team at Tennessee that went to the Sweet 16 was as talented as any Mizzou squad I can think of, save the 08-09 team. And at Cal, he had a trio of pro guards, plus two lottery picks, plus another pro forward in Stephen Domingo, and couldn’t get past the first round.
It was always a legitimate concern.
The hope was that he's a generally smart basketball guy who could continue to develop, especially if given a staff that has some offensive specialists on it.
And to be fair, his team the first year really did look far different than his previous squads had. It looked to really be improving in key areas with spacing and shooting. And this years team looks to be TRYING in those areas.
They're just failing. I think he has adapted a bit from a strictly tactical standpoint. But you may be right - he may really struggle at developing talent. And if so, that's a death knell at Mizzou, where the only path forward is to find good 3 and 4 star prospects who stay for 3-4 years and improve into strong veteran units that maximize their potential. This isn't a program that's going to win on the strength of top 20 recruiting classes and 1 and done guys. [Reply]
They lost to frickin' Map Direction State University? I thought we might actually have decent basketball this year, but looks like another year lost in the wasteland. Cuonzo = Quinn? [Reply]
Originally Posted by gblowfish:
They lost to frickin' Map Direction State University? I thought we might actually have decent basketball this year, but looks like another year lost in the wasteland. Cuonzo = Quinn?
Originally Posted by PackerinMo:
He's been beyond awful.
Kim Anderson was beyond awful, fellas.
Cuonzo isn't that. He's not APPROACHING that.
There's talent here. And a plan you can see. And an offensive system in place.
They just keep undermining themselves with the same error and it's ALWAYS !@#$ing ball control. Every single year this team has just been garbage with ball control. And they're similar to most middle-tier college teams in that they run hot and cold with their outside shooting.
If you aren't turning the ball over every 3rd possession you can muddle through your cold streaks and still pull out wins. But when you just keep turning the damn ball over, it's like being short-stacked in poker. You simply can't ride out a cold deck.
Cuonzo's looking like a JAG. He's looking a lot like Barry Odom, to be honest. No, Cuonzo isn't awful. Odom wasn't awful. Both guys have things they do very well. But they also have weaknesses that often undermine those strengths and end up stuck in mediocrity. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
Kim Anderson was beyond awful, fellas.
Cuonzo isn't that. He's not APPROACHING that.
There's talent here. And a plan you can see. And an offensive system in place.
They just keep undermining themselves with the same error and it's ALWAYS !@#$ing ball control. Every single year this team has just been garbage with ball control. And they're similar to most middle-tier college teams in that they run hot and cold with their outside shooting.
If you aren't turning the ball over every 3rd possession you can muddle through your cold streaks and still pull out wins. But when you just keep turning the damn ball over, it's like being short-stacked in poker. You simply can't ride out a cold deck.
Cuonzo's looking like a JAG. He's looking a lot like Barry Odom, to be honest. No, Cuonzo isn't awful. Odom wasn't awful. Both guys have things they do very well. But they also have weaknesses that often undermine those strengths and end up stuck in mediocrity.
You're right but to be fair I did not say he was as bad as Anderson. I knew he wasn't that great of an in game coach and I knew he always had shitty offenses but I was hoping he could improve recruiting at the very least. When he was hired everyone said he was going to lock down St.Louis blah blah blah. So far it hasn't happened. [Reply]
Well glad I decided to stay home and punch myself in the dick all night, that was much more enjoyable then going to the game like I had planned [Reply]
Originally Posted by mac459:
Well glad I decided to stay home and punch myself in the dick all night, that was much more enjoyable then going to the game like I had planned
My daughter called an audible as we were getting in the truck to head to the arena. She decided she wanted to go play with her friend down at a church/moms group function so I took here there instead and met the guy that was going to the game with us at CJ's for some wings.
Damn glad I didn't go. I would not have been pleasant to be around. It reminds me of the Norfolk St. game - I had free tickets to it and turned them down. My reasoning was that I'd either watch them win a game that I had no expectation they'd lose and thus probably be bored, or I'd watch them lose a game that would send me to a whole new level of pissed off. So it was really lose/lose in that instance.
Instead I never watched a second of the game and as such, that loss has really no impact on me. I know guys who speak of that game with the same rage I view the Indy road playoff loss or the Tyus Edney game and it simply doesn't move the needle with me at all.
They don't suck as much when you don't witness them. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
My daughter called an audible as we were getting in the truck to head to the arena. She decided she wanted to go play with her friend down at a church/moms group function so I took here there instead and met the guy that was going to the game with us at CJ's for some wings.
Damn glad I didn't go. I would not have been pleasant to be around. It reminds me of the Norfolk St. game - I had free tickets to it and turned them down. My reasoning was that I'd either watch them win a game that I had no expectation they'd lose and thus probably be bored, or I'd watch them lose a game that would send me to a whole new level of pissed off. So it was really lose/lose in that instance.
Instead I never watched a second of the game and as such, that loss has really no impact on me. I know guys who speak of that game with the same rage I view the Indy road playoff loss or the Tyus Edney game and it simply doesn't move the needle with me at all.
They don't suck as much when you don't witness them.
The Tyus Edney game was much worse. Their play against Norfolk was maddening, but it just made you hate them.
The Edney game was heartbreaking. Despair is much worse than anger. [Reply]