Originally Posted by dirk digler:
I don't think trading for Butler or George would have gotten them past Lebron this year especially since they don't know the health of IT.
Maybe, maybe not. Jimmy Butler is a great player, probably top 10 in the league. That kind of player often can change things. [Reply]
Originally Posted by KC_Connection:
AD is exactly who I would have been waiting for. Kyrie Irving simply isn't that good of a player and won't change anything for that team this year or in the future.
Yeah, well, unless there is ANY sign of him being on the block, eternity is a bit long to wait.
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I'm not a Celtics fan, I don't care whether you trust him or not. I just call a terrible deal when I see one and this one couldn't get much worse. I've been trying to rationalize as you have and I still can't do it.
I don't need to be a Patriots fan to trust that BB usually knows what he's doing. Ainge doesn't have quite that level of credibility, but he's got more than enough for me to trust that he's no fool. [Reply]
Originally Posted by KC_Connection:
Maybe, maybe not. Jimmy Butler is a great player, probably top 10 in the league. That kind of player often can change things.
He isn't Top 10 in the NBA or in the West for that matter, Top 15 for sure and Kyrie isn't that far behind him [Reply]
Originally Posted by Amnorix:
Yeah, well, unless there is ANY sign of him being on the block, eternity is a bit long to wait.
Waiting would be better than bailing out your main rival and trading your one of your most valuable assets away to do so.
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I don't need to be a Patriots fan to trust that BB usually knows what he's doing. Ainge doesn't have quite that level of credibility, but he's got more than enough for me to trust that he's no fool.
Originally Posted by dirk digler:
He isn't Top 10 in the NBA or in the West for that matter, Top 15 for sure and Kyrie isn't that far behind him
#5 in the NBA in VORP, #6 in WS/48, #7 in RPM, #10 in BPM last year. I'm actually not sure what the argument for Butler not being a top 10 player in the league is, let alone the West.
Irving BTW was #30, #44, #53, and #49 in those. Most overrated player in the league. [Reply]
Originally Posted by KC_Connection:
#5 in the NBA in VORP, #6 in WS/48, #7 in RPM, #10 in BPM last year. I'm actually not sure what the argument for Butler not being a top 10 player in the league is, let alone the West.
Irving BTW was #30, #44, #53, and #49 in those. Most overrated player in the league.
Simple and in no certain order
4 of the 5 GSW starters
Russ
George
Harden
CP3
Leonard
AD [Reply]
Originally Posted by dirk digler:
I know. this is just for the West. I agree with you in regards to Butler barely getting the Bulls in the playoffs in the vaunted East
Butler is great as #2 with another true superstar but he isn't the type to lead a franchise IMO. [Reply]
Originally Posted by KC_Connection:
Particularly after this deal.
Yeah, time will determine that, not you.
And let's face it, one of the Celtics biggest problems was shot-creation. NOBODY outside of IT could create their own shot really. And shot creation is huge in the playoffs, especially, and IT really struggled with it himself in the playoffs.
And you can think Irving isn't that much better than IT overall, but there's no question that his shot creation is at least as good but likely better than IT, and that it's DEFINITELY been alot better in the playoffs. C's now have Irving and Hayward, and their new draft pick, Tatum, appears to have elite skills in that area (or projects to -- nobody really knows how any draft pick will work out).
So you can say the Cs aren't much/any better in the short term, but I don't agree, especially when it comes to playoff basketball. [Reply]