More trade news: The #Chiefs are deep in talks with the #49ers on a trade for star pass-rusher Dee Ford, sources say. Things have escalated and this could get done by the end of the night. Ford needs to work out a new contract with SF, which is a big piece of this.
Originally Posted by Chief_N_Bama:
LOL... Yall pull so much shit out of yalls asses in order to make a point...
ONE play and Ford doesn't have discipline. How many other flags did he draw all season? Keep in mind that KC was the MOST penalized team in the league last year.
One play? How many times has Ford made that same stupid mistake of lining up offsides? Once or twice might be forgivable but he's done it multiple times over the years and never learned from it. And in the most crucial moment of the most important game the chiefs have played in decades, he doesn't have enough awareness to line up correctly. That is most definitely a lack of discipline. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Mecca:
If he likes Dee Ford shouldn't he be happy for him then? Guy is getting a huge payday more than I ever thought Dee Ford would get.
I’m happy we have more money to spend in a different way now. Ford was a good pass rusher but that was it. He sucked against the run and got faked out more than a time or two on bootlegs. No way he was worth the contract that he got paid. We need to get some pass rush help but I really think we have the players in the wings already. Speaks is going to be good he just needs the opportunity. And in the 4/3 he is set up better. [Reply]
You would hope to get a pick this year so you have another year to work while Mahomes is on his rookie deal, but it's fair compensation for an inconsistent and injury prone player with only one dimension to his game. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Best22:
This dude is probably just an Auburn fan
Ford is a 49er now. He’s a nice player but not someone to build a defense around, not at that price
Exactly.
He’s an incomplete player. He’s talking now about how he wasn’t heavy enough last year because of an offseason injury, and that’s why his run D suffered “a little.”
They can draft a player who fits better Year 1 at the LEO and improved the run D, and spread the money round to other spots and come out ahead overall.
Give me a Sweat/Omenihu/etc. in the draft and a situational pass rusher in FA (Shane Ray, Markus Golden, etc) and another vet CB or S, and ill take that over Ford and just the draft. [Reply]
Your long-term fandom of Ford is coloring the glasses you use to view him.
Actually, I hated taking Dee in the first round. As an Auburn fan I knew of his elite quickness off the line but I also knew of his deficiencies against the run and in pass coverage.
Yes, he has had two good pass rush seasons. Out of five in the NFL. Consistently elite as a pass rusher? One out of five seasons of elite pass rusher performance does not equal that.
Players don't get better with experience??? You just gloss over the fact that his last those two double digit sack seasons are 2 of the last 3, and the one season he didn't was shortened by injury.
Mathieu is coming off back-to-back full seasons. Watkins is definitely a consistent and ongoing injury concern, but he also amps up the Chiefs offense to a different level, which was the point in getting him.
I would take Dee at $16MM for one year over both of those deals. And I think that's what y'all are missing. We are trying up our money on the least valuable positions (WR/SS/ILB), with players who have injury concerns, and letting more valuable guys walk for the same reasons.
We basically swapped Dee for Mathieu. Cap space is basically the same, and I don't think there would be too much of a difference between the compensatory pick we would get for letting Dee go NEXT year and the second we received in exchange (which is NEXT YEAR TOO). Pass rushers are coveted so the odds of a comparable edge rusher falling to us in the draft is far lower than us landing a Honey Badger type talent.
So, we've potentially sacrificed our pass rush for what? I don't see what we've gained. [Reply]