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Nzoner's Game Room>Eric Berry has a Haglund’s deformity on his heel
DaFace 01:06 PM 09-29-2018
Yes, it's in the other thread. Bite me.

https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2018/...ty-on-his-heel

REPORT: Eric Berry has a Haglund’s deformity on his heel
New information on Berry’s sore heel injury emerged on Saturday.

By Pete Sweeney Sep 29, 2018, 1:15pm CDT

Eric Berry has not practiced or played for the Kansas City Chiefs since August 11 in St. Joseph, Missouri, because of what the team has described as a “sore heel.”

The last we heard from the Chiefs athletic training staff was in early September, when head athletic trainer Rick Burkholder described the injury as “literally day to day.”

More information on Berry’s injury emerged Saturday morning, via NFL Network’s Mike Garafolo:

Mike Garafolo: “My understanding, and I’ve spoken to people familiar with his injury situation. He’s got what’s called a Haglund’s deformity in that Achilles. That’s a bone spur that basically digs into the Achilles. Shaun O’ Hara, our colleague at NFL Network, he had it. I spoke to him this week. He said it is extremely painful. He actually used a more colorful word that I won’t use here. It’s just something that continues to irritate the area. Some guys have been able to play with it—you get a shoe here or there, you can adjust … but that’s what’s going on. It’s going to be a pain management thing. It’s not like this thing will tear the Achilles necessarily. A lot of these cases don’t result in a tear, but that’s why with Berry right now, he has not played, and they’ve been doing OK. That’s going to allow them a little bit more patience with Berry, but it is extremely painful.”

This provides a little more clarity than Berry’s injury simply being a “sore heel,” which is good, but what’s bad is there still seems to be no timetable. Remember, Berry missed nearly the entirety of the 2017 season due to a ruptured Achilles on the other leg.

Chiefs head coach Andy Reid was mum on the injury when asked about it Saturday afternoon after the Chiefs’ final practice of the week.

Berry is officially ruled doubtful heading into the Monday night game against the Denver Broncos.

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Here are the notes from our in-house medical expert, Aaron Borgmann:

A lot of talk today regarding something known as a Haglund’s deformity. It was reported by a media source that the player in question suffers from this condition. This discussion is not to confirm or deny that possibility, as I can only explain the available information that we have been given. To be clear, the team has not confirmed this diagnosis and I have no advance knowledge of the player’s current condition.

The simple explanation here that it is indeed a bone spur on the backside of someone’s heel. This is frequently known as a “pump bump” from the occurrence that it is often seen in women’s fashion from the shoes that they wear. However, incidence in football players is also common, sometimes referred to as “retrocalcaneal bursitis” as well.

The bone spur irritates the bursa (fluid-filled sac) that sits between the bone and the tendon or even the tendon itself directly. This can cause a great deal of inflammation and discomfort with any sort of dynamic ankle/foot movement, worse with pressure on the spot itself.

Having one in and of itself it not uncommon, but the degree to which it bothers someone is the issue. Depending upon demands of movement, these can range from debilitating to just a nuisance. Obviously, in football players, the degree of inflammation is what dictates the level of function.

These are diagnosed both visually and radiographically and it is a situation where if you see it and player complains of certain symptoms (pain with movement in that exact spot, swelling, redness) then you can be pretty sure that is what it is.

Treatment focuses on reduction of inflammation obviously directly over the spot. This can be done both topically and through systemic medication. Soft tissue lengthening in both the calf and bottom of the foot is also done to alleviate the issue from both sides – this is due to the fact that both the calf and plantar fascia connect to the calcaneus (heel bone) on either side.

Not to be forgotten is footwear modification and adjustment. Very rigid shoes can cause this irritation, and in some athletes, I would even cut the shoe in the heel to allow room for the bump. Other options include specialized padding and friction reduction methods. Heel lifts have been shown to be helpful in some.

For this condition, non-surgical intervention is preferred to reduce the inflammation as opposed to surgical due to the immobilization period.

If the inflammation can be reduced and the function level high, many players learned to adapt their daily routines to accommodate. They may have to put in a bit more time in order to get ready due to the condition’s demands but can nonetheless get by and still perform at a high level.
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htismaqe 11:43 AM 10-17-2018
Originally Posted by The Pest:
This defense is so bad that it's making me miss Dan fucking Sorensen. Jesus Christ.
:-)
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RunKC 11:45 AM 10-17-2018
Originally Posted by staylor26:
Man this D could really use Sorenson.

I think people are underestimating what his return alone can do.
Parker has been reading plays wrong ever since he got back and his tackling is so freaking bad. Sorenson at least does both of those at an average level.

I actually like what I saw from Josh Shaw and want to keep him around.

Dirty Dan, Lucas and Murray will probably be the starters but I’d like to see them have Shaw rotate in and have Parker as the 5th safety.

I hope to see Berry, Dirty Dan, Lucas, Watts and Shaw as the 5 safeties by years end.
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Titty Meat 11:46 AM 10-17-2018
Were in first place no need to rush him back. You bring him back healthy because if hes playing in January that pass to Gronk doesnt happen and Sonny Michelle is picking her teeth up off the field. If he comes back we will finally raise the trophy named after our great owner.
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Gravedigger 11:49 AM 10-17-2018
We're going to be moving on from Berry and/or Houston in the next year or two barring the fountain of youth being discovered. Let the kids play and get experience.
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htismaqe 11:51 AM 10-17-2018
Originally Posted by Titty Meat:
Were in first place no need to rush him back. You bring him back healthy because if hes playing in January that pass to Gronk doesnt happen and Sonny Michelle is picking her teeth up off the field. If he comes back we will finally raise the trophy named after our great owner.
He won't be back "healthy" though. It's not an injury, it's a deformity. It's going to be painful no matter what he does, short of having surgery.
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Titty Meat 11:56 AM 10-17-2018
Originally Posted by htismaqe:
He won't be back "healthy" though. It's not an injury, it's a deformity. It's going to be painful no matter what he does, short of having surgery.
I dont mean to be a smart ass but why does everyone on here without any medical knowledge continue to suggest he needs surgery?
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MIAdragon 11:57 AM 10-17-2018
Originally Posted by RunKC:
Parker has been reading plays wrong ever since he got back and his tackling is so freaking bad. Sorenson at least does both of those at an average level.

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OKchiefs 11:57 AM 10-17-2018
Originally Posted by Gravedigger:
We're going to be moving on from Berry and/or Houston in the next year or two barring the fountain of youth being discovered. Let the kids play and get experience.
Good riddance
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Marcellus 12:01 PM 10-17-2018
Originally Posted by Titty Meat:
I dont mean to be a smart ass but why does everyone on here without any medical knowledge continue to suggest he needs surgery?
Aside from the 10" cocks, knowing more about NFL talent than every GM and coach in the NFL, they also know more about sports injuries than Dr James Andrews.
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htismaqe 12:04 PM 10-17-2018
Originally Posted by Titty Meat:
I dont mean to be a smart ass but why does everyone on here without any medical knowledge continue to suggest he needs surgery?
Because that's what every article has said or at least intimated, including the one in the OP.
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GloryDayz 12:04 PM 10-17-2018
Originally Posted by Marcellus:
You absolutely and completely missed the entire point.
Or maybe you're nit-picking (lie vs. not divulging all the details they have), all while missing the point that a guy, a rather highly paid guy, hasn't played yet, hasn't practiced, and few think if he's able to play on Friday the 5th (of some month) that he'd play on Sunday the 7th without having practiced.

IOW, we're paying WAAAAAAY to much for a guy who looks like he's going to miss more than half the season. And few of us think his being out "today" (being day-to-day) is a shock every day when he comes in and says, "welp folks, not today (either)".
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Titty Meat 12:05 PM 10-17-2018
Originally Posted by htismaqe:
Because that's what every article has said or at least intimated, including the one in the OP.
:-) you cant make a medical dignaosis reading WebMD dude. Seriously ridiculous.
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htismaqe 12:06 PM 10-17-2018
Originally Posted by Titty Meat:
:-) you cant make a medical dignaosis reading WebMD dude. Seriously ridiculous.
Nobody is making a diagnosis. They're SPECULATING on a sports message board, which is the whole purpose of sports message boards.

:-)
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Kiimo 12:07 PM 10-17-2018
Everyone assuming the bone deformity is the problem and not the bursa being inflamed.
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Marcellus 12:12 PM 10-17-2018
Originally Posted by htismaqe:
Because that's what every article has said or at least intimated, including the one in the OP.
You specifically being the guy that has been the most adamant that we go all in on a SB run this season, it would seem you would be fine with the hold him out as long as possible then get as many games out of him as you can later in the year approach and not be worried about him having surgery this off season.
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