Originally Posted by RealSNR:
Were the bad snaps a problem during the regular season? Last year in the playoffs? If they were, were they as bad as the AFCC and the SB this year?
If they weren't noticeable enough to complain about before the last two games, I think you trust him to get that fixed back to the way they used to be and just call this one a fluke.
Also, how great is it that I have to specify which Super Bowl I'm talking about? God I love my life.
They were terrible in the Super Bowl last year. No one remembers it because Mahomes is God and didn't let it become a problem. [Reply]
Which is the better option, or easier course of action;
1) Find another Center in free agency or the draft who can deliver the ball perfectly from the shotgun to Mahomes’ chest right between his numbers, but is average at best, but likely a mediocre blocker on either runs or passing.
OR
2) Have the best blocking Center we’ve had in 20 years that combines the best of Casey Weigman with Tim Grunhard into one dude, but needs to work on his shotgun snaps for the reigning Super Bowl Champion Chiefs?
If you’re conflicted, go watch — really watch — Creed in both run and pass blocking from any game in the playoffs. He neutralizes pass rushers and removes people from the TV screen on runs. If he gets his hands on you, you’re done son. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Cheater5:
Which is the better option, or easier course of action;
1) Find another Center in free agency or the draft who can deliver the ball perfectly from the shotgun to Mahomes’ chest right between his numbers, but is average at best, but likely a mediocre blocker on either runs or passing.
OR
2) Have the best blocking Center we’ve had in 20 years that combines the best of Casey Weigman with Tim Grunhard into one dude, but needs to work on his shotgun snaps for the reigning Super Bowl Champion Chiefs?
If you’re conflicted, go watch — really watch — Creed in both run and pass blocking from any game in the playoffs. He neutralizes pass rushers and removes people from the TV screen on runs. If he gets his hands on you, you’re done son.
Originally Posted by Cheater5:
Which is the better option, or easier course of action;
1) Find another Center in free agency or the draft who can deliver the ball perfectly from the shotgun to Mahomes’ chest right between his numbers, but is average at best, but likely a mediocre blocker on either runs or passing.
OR
2) Have the best blocking Center we’ve had in 20 years that combines the best of Casey Weigman with Tim Grunhard into one dude, but needs to work on his shotgun snaps for the reigning Super Bowl Champion Chiefs?
If you’re conflicted, go watch — really watch — Creed in both run and pass blocking from any game in the playoffs. He neutralizes pass rushers and removes people from the TV screen on runs. If he gets his hands on you, you’re done son.
#1 and it's not even close. Because one will be ASTRONOMICALLY cheaper.
Again. An elite center for an Andy Reid offense is like paying for a Ferrari and not driving it. We don't do the tush push. We don't do QB sneaks. We run from shotgun alllloooot (so actually a centers ability to be a good snapper is even more important there), we are always Top 5-Top 10 in pass percentage, we aren't a power running team.
We don't even WANT to EVER pay for an elite center. Planning to walk on Creed will make our decisions to pay Jones, Sneed, Bolton, Tranquil, Reid etc much easier. If you need to walk from Creed in order to sign one of those, you do it and you fist pump while you are doing it. [Reply]
i don't think creed's going anywhere. also, aren't super bowl balls usually slicker? i've heard players complain about them in the past. that may have been part of the problem. [Reply]
wtf just happened? Are people actually lobbying to get rid of Creed? He's probably the best Center in football not named Kelce, and he's 24 yrs old on a rookie contract.
Originally Posted by Fansy the Famous Bard:
wtf just happened? Are people actually lobbying to get rid of Creed? He's probably the best Center in football not named Kelce, and he's 24 yrs old on a rookie contract.
You can't make this shit up.
I certainly wouldn't advocate letting him go somewhere. But I'll stand by my contention that an all-pro center won't make the quarterback pull his eyes off the routes on critical overtime Super Bowl plays because he can't get the snap off the ground. At some point you have to either fix the problem or move him to guard.
Originally Posted by Bl00dyBizkitz:
Dude has been a top 5 center all 3 years he's been in the league and we want to let him go because he had some low snaps this year?
Yeah, let’s don’t be stupid. There has to be a reason for the bad snaps. They’ll find it and correct.
But, forcing Mahomes to take his eyes off the defense to just field a snap is a very bad thing and needs to be corrected by week 1 next year.
He’s been playing at the highest level in college and the pros. If it was a big or inert issue, we’d know by know. [Reply]
You can’t create or develop what Creed is as a blocker and pass protector. You can fix his snaps.
Creed is an incredible player. He’ll fix it. I don’t think Mahomes will let it remain an issue.
It seems this happens when he goes against much better d-lines, and it almost appears he is actually more concerned about getting to his block first before making sure the ball is getting snapped accurately. Just my theory. :-) [Reply]
Originally Posted by Bl00dyBizkitz:
Dude has been a top 5 center all 3 years he's been in the league and we want to let him go because he had some low snaps this year?
Regardless of the snaps, you let him go because there is simply no reason the Chiefs and their system should ever want to pay the market price of a top center. If we draft a center and they become a top center, sure that is ideal, but we sure as fuck shouldn't ever pay for it. [Reply]
Originally Posted by BWillie:
Regardless of the snaps, you let him go because there is simply no reason the Chiefs and their system should ever want to pay the market price of a top center. If we draft a center and they become a top center, sure that is ideal, but we sure as fuck shouldn't ever pay for it.
Why? Because he's too good? Are you honestly saying you'd pay Creed if he was a middle of the pack Center instead of a top 5 one? [Reply]
Originally Posted by Bl00dyBizkitz:
Why? Because he's too good? Are you honestly saying you'd pay Creed if he was a middle of the pack Center instead of a top 5 one?
Right. If he was an average center getting average money I'd rather pay for that. You don't pay for a Ferrari to have it sit in the garage all the time. We don't benefit from having an elite center based on the system we run and the amount we pass. You are getting less utility per dollar than other teams would. There is no reason for us to ever, ever pay an elite center elite center money. Now Philadelphia? Yeah, they should absolutely pay an elite center and yearn to do so. [Reply]
