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Nzoner's Game Room>*** Official 2017 Royals Repository ***
Chiefspants 10:55 AM 04-05-2017
Chiefsplanet’s (Proposed) 2017 Season Title: One Last Ride

Midish-Season Update (Royals 51-47, 2nd Wild Card, 1.5 GB of ALC):

We're halfway through 2017, and fittingly to the Chiefsplanet's 2017 Season Title, the Royals are all-in on what will likely be one final run with the current core. While many are worried the Royals will take a 2004 style tumble after this year, the farm system is hardly the barren wasteland it was during the Baird years. To see what's in the pipeline and what we have to look forward to, check out this exceptional list and analysis that Duncan put together of our system.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...htmlview#gid=0

While I had the honor of starting this thread this year, Duncan will always have a VIP pass to this OP, and can add more content at any time.

2017's Burning Questions Revisited:

1. What is the threshold between being “buyers” and “sellers” at the deadline?

We're buyers, baby.

In April, I argued that it would be a wise strategy for us to sell if we were 5 GB or worse, but that Dayton would likely add supplemental pieces for us to load up for another run if we were 1-2 GB. On July 24th, the Royals found themselves in sole possession of the 2nd wild card spot and 1.5 games back of the division. In April I said the Royals might pull the trigger on someone like Alex Cobb and resign Luke Hochevar, but since the Rays are also buyers and Luke's shoulder hasn't rebounded, this prediction hasn't come to fruition. Luckily, Dayton Moore again proved much more adept and creative than me by adding Trevor Cahill (good call, Duncan), Brandon Maurer and Ryan Buchter in a single trade. Giving us a solid starter to compete in 2017, and two relievers whom we will control through 2019 and 2021, respectively, keeping Moore's new vision through 2019-2020 intact. Moore has hinted that the Royals will continue to pursue the right deals if they're there, so the fun may not be over just yet. While we may not have the bullets to pull in a "star" like Cueto or Zo, Moore's adeptness may yet again net us what we need for another run in October.

2. Can Gordo and Moose bounce back to 2015 levels?

In April I asked if Gordo could at least set the table at a 265/325/425 clip and if Moose could deliver damage around a 265/335/500 clip for an entire year. This season Mr. Moustakas has been the prospect that was promised, delivering at a 277/307/568 clip as of this update. Gordo, on the other hand, has put up an unbelievably abysmal line thus far. But, if there is a silver lining, it's that Gordo has performed at a 246/311/432 line since June 1st, and if he can continue to perform near that mark, he will be more than a valuable asset at the bottom of the lineup while he continues to provide the best LF defense in the league.

3. Can Ned Yost manage a bullpen?

In April, I felt that despite the poor start, Royals bullpen would ultimately be "solid" this year, but the question was whether "solid" was good enough for Ned. I argued that the Royals needed Soria to bounce back and that Ned would need to start being strategic in his L/L and R/R matchups. While Ned has still made at times baffling and frustrating decisions with his starters (such as allowing Travis Wood to try to "get the win" and still insisting on sending Hammel out for the 6th, he's mostly done a good job).

MASH: Minor/Moylan - Alexander - Soria - Herrera (Credit to C3HIEF3S for the origins of the phrase) have cemented into reliable pieces, and now that Herrera is showing signs of stabilizing, our dumping of Wood, our call up Flynn, and the acquisition of Buchter and Maurer, the Royals have the potential to enter October with one of the best and deepest bullpens in the postseason.

4. Will the Royals find a boost from an unexpected X-Factor to lift them to contention?

Cool-Whit, Boni, Mike ****ing Minor, and Alexander have come up huge thus far. Cool Whit is, incredibly, is second on the team in WAR and has more than replaced Zo's presence on the team. They, like the X-Factors on the 2014-2015 teams, have been critical cogs as we've raced back to contention, while Cool-Whit and Boni also have provided a rosier outlook for this team's future. It's worth noting that Salvador Perez and Jason Vargas has been beasts on offense and the mound (along with Sal providing his customary defensive excellence), but I am still a bit wary of Salvy's annual Yost assisted offensive drought as the team moves into August, along with Vargy regressing to his averages.

5. Can Jorge Soler and Brandon Moss be productive contributors in Kauffman’s dimensions?

Ouch, no, but the Royals shift to power-hitting in the juiced ball era looks like one that will pay off. Thankfully, Moss is showing signs of entering his seasonal hot streak where he becomes corn-fed Jesus for a month, and we'll need him hot to keep up with Cleveland down the stretch. While Jorge has been painful to watch in the majors, his scorching performance in AAA should give one a bright hope for the future. While some may disagree, I offer Moose, Hos, Gordo, and Duffy's struggles as exhibit A for why it is far too early to give up on Soler's potential.

Bonus Question - Is Raul Mondesi truly ready to be an everyday player?

Ha! Not even close. However, like Soler, his progress in AAA is incredibly encouraging. With ceilings like Lindor and floors being Esky being thrown out there, it's hard not to be excited about his future.

The Picture Forward

There are many reasons to be excited, and not only for 2017. The Royals emergence of Cool Whit, Bonifacio, and Scott Alexander, and the fact that we have pieces like Salvador Perez, Danny Duffy, Kelvin Herrera, Jorge Soler, Ryan Buchter, Brandon Maurer Cheslor Cuthbert, and Raul Mondesi until at least 2019 should leave one feeling pretty optimistic. Re-up Moose or Hos (and heck, re-sign Dyson while we're at it), and suddenly this team looks very much like one that could compete for the indefinite future.

The Royals are all in again, buckle in and enjoy the ride.

April OP:

Spoiler!

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duncan_idaho 02:56 PM 10-03-2017
Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry:
Cardinal fans are jacking off to the thought.

I've seen mixed reports on what the Marlins will do. Not sure it's a lock he actually gets moved, and have heard he has STL on his no trade.

If the Dodgers were smart, they'd make an offer built around Alex Verdugo and/or Joc Pederson.


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Chiefspants 04:06 PM 10-03-2017
This makes zero sense.

But in my dream world Stanton ends up with the Rockies.
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Fansy the Famous Bard 04:18 PM 10-03-2017
Originally Posted by Chiefspants:
This makes zero sense.

But in my dream world Stanton ends up with the Rockies.
We're that to happen, he may hit 100 Hrs in a season
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lewdog 05:59 PM 10-03-2017
Can I get a good stream for tonight's game?
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suzzer99 06:03 PM 10-03-2017
goldenshowers.com
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lewdog 06:08 PM 10-03-2017
Originally Posted by suzzer99:
goldenshowers.com
I found one.

Fuck you!!!
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Prison Bitch 06:57 PM 10-03-2017
Lol at stl doing that

They'd never swallow that contract

Anyone who does is going to get throttled at the backend
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duncan_idaho 11:10 AM 10-04-2017
The Rays have parted ways with pitching coach Jim Hickey. Would be a good hire for KC. Lot of success with the Rays and also with the Astros.


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siberian khatru 11:19 AM 10-04-2017
Originally Posted by Why Not?:
That's exactly what I'm thinking.
Originally Posted by duncan_idaho:
The Rays have parted ways with pitching coach Jim Hickey. Would be a good hire for KC. Lot of success with the Rays and also with the Astros.


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I think David Lesky is on to something:

Originally Posted by :
So I quickly developed a bit of a theory. Yost was widely speculated to be retiring at the end of 2017 as the core made their exits to free agency. Then, with a week or so to go in the season, he told anyone who would listen that he was going to come back in 2018 and anyone who thought otherwise is and was crazy. That surprised me a little bit, both that he was coming back and how adamant he was about it. But with the firing of Wakamatsu, I think there’s something there. I think Yost was asked to come back for one year to mentor his replacement, who would be the bench coach.

I don’t know if this is true. We probably won’t ever really know, but it sure makes a lot of sense. The three likeliest candidates in my mind have all never managed or even coached at the big league level. They are, in no particular order, Raul Ibanez, Jason Kendall and Vance Wilson. There are probably 150 other managerial candidates out there who have a shot, so don’t take those three names as the only possibilities, but they are where my mind turned immediately. It would not surprise me in the least if Dayton Moore and the front office believed any of them or any other first time manager couldn’t benefit from a year of watching Yost manage the clubhouse.

In his season-ending press conference on Monday, Yost was very candid in explaining that he wasn’t great at in-game management and relied on his bench coach a lot for that. He also talked about this team taking a step back and developing more in 2018 than they had in the last few seasons, and that’s why the change was made. Development doesn’t have to stop on the field. It can happen on the bench too. I almost kind of wonder if the Royals know who it is they’re bringing in for that role has an idea of who he wants as pitching coach, and the Royals were happy to make that change to help bridge the gap between 2018 and 2019 even more.

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duncan_idaho 11:34 AM 10-04-2017
Like that perspective from Lesly. I'm going to hope for Ibanez or Wilson and pray it isn't Kendall.


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Chiefspants 11:36 AM 10-04-2017
Originally Posted by duncan_idaho:
Like that perspective from Lesly. I'm going to hope for Ibanez or Wilson and pray it isn't Kendall.


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After the success Yost had being so laid back with the young-ins, I'd cringe if Moore opted to put in such a hardass as his successor.
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siberian khatru 11:44 AM 10-04-2017
Originally Posted by Chiefspants:
After the success Yost had being so laid back with the young-ins, I'd cringe if Moore opted to put in such a hardass as his successor.
"Rewind yourself."
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Chiefspants 11:53 AM 10-04-2017
Originally Posted by siberian khatru:
"Rewind yourself."
Oh man. I ate crow hard on Yost in 2014-2015 (I made the Official Yost apology thread and was ridden hard for it) I even bought the man's jersey as an act of penance (and plan to do the same thing for AS11 if he wins us a title).

But it's clear something about Yost's style worked with the chemistry of the younger guys/clubhouse. Kendall just gives me bad vibes in that regard. He's welcome to prove my dumbass wrong, though.
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Prison Bitch 11:55 AM 10-04-2017

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siberian khatru 11:59 AM 10-04-2017
Originally Posted by Chiefspants:
Oh man. I ate crow hard on Yost in 2014-2015 (I made the Official Yost apology thread and was ridden hard for it) I even bought the man's jersey as an act of penance (and plan to do the same thing for AS11 if he wins us a title).

But it's clear something about Yost's style worked with the chemistry of the younger guys/clubhouse. Kendall just gives me bad vibes in that regard. He's welcome to prove my dumbass wrong, though.
I think I infamously said around 2012 or 13 that Yost was a mediocre manager who was good enough to get them to .500 but not good enough to get them to take the next step.
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