$16MM for an elite pass rusher? Sounds like a bargain, especially when he just got paid $2-3MM more than that from SF...

On the flip side we could tie that money up in an undersized safety who is a liability in pass coverage... :-)... makes perfect sense...
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Do you have a personal connection to Dee Ford?
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Do you? Did he fuck your wife/GF?
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I like that you keep capitalizing 'EDGE' in all of your posts to really emphasize how much more important that position is than any other on the defense. No one is disputing that the value of an 'EDGE' rusher is more than a safety, but that's not the goal. The goal is to field a balanced and competitive defense. We haven't done that. Now we're making wholesale changes as a result to scheme and personnel and Ford no longer fits into those plans. So you can continue to whine about the choice between Mathieu and Ford as if that's the only thing in isolation that we're all arguing about, but you would be acting obtuse.
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LOL... I like how you act like you know what the plan is, and know it's going to work... cause you know... Veach is a genius...

Also LOVE how you guys talk about the scheme and fit as if y'all really ****ing know it...

... but I'm the one being obtuse... lol
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You might have a lot of NEG REP but you are 100% right on this. I'm not sure some people are thinking too clearly. Who we got rushing the passer now? :-)
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Ford is as good as DT?
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Because that is exactly what I said...

... but I'm the one being obtuse here... lol

... guess this is one of them strawmen I was warned about earlier...
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They were under no obligation to trade Ford. The idea that they'd do it with no clear path forward? When they were a neutral zone infraction away from the Super Bowl? Riiiiiiight..... Now you might not agree with the path eventually taken, but you don't even know what the fuck you're complaining about yet.

And no, I don't know the 'scheme' and 'fit' but Spags does and decided to trade Ford rather than have him play under the franchise tag.

As I said in another post, you can have an informed opinion in six weeks.
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Wait, are you implying that your opinion is informed??? LOL....

I do know that we have gotten rid of 2/3's of our pass rush, and traded away the best player on the team last year for what we basically could have received by retaining his services for one more year and then letting him walk.

I do know that if you can't rush the passer you aren't going to be very good on defense.

I do know that when Veach tried to draft a pass rusher last year we ended up with Speaks.

I do know that there's a 90% chance that, next season, Ford would have likely outproduced whoever we draft to replace him.

I mean we traded away Peters (a move I agreed with at the time) and got appreciably worse in the secondary. But Veach had a plan, and that's all that matters, right?
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We had 2 of the top 5 edge rushers in football last year. Clearly, if you can rush the passer, that doesn't guarantee much either.

Yes, a player widely acknowledged to be better suited to a 4-3 (even shortly after the draft, this was discussed) and who was playing behind two of the best pass rushers in football.

There you go again with your straw man argument. Keep it going.
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I certainly understand the angst people have over losing our two best pass rushers. It's definitely warranted concern. I don't think they EVER intended on giving Ford a long term deal. In this sense, you either keep him for one more year, assuming you can use him to get over the hump and get to the Super Bowl (because let's be honest, if we kept him for one year and never signed him to a long term deal, unless we actually make it to a SB, it's a waste either way), or you make a move now to trade him and get some sort of value out of it. Veach was in a tough spot no matter what. Villainize him if you want, but we need to see how this plays out.

The argument is whether our defense is better without him. That remains to be seen, but given his injury history and the Chiefs history of signing guys after being on a one year "prove it" franchise tag has failed miserably, so I think his ass was gone whether it be now or next year. I don't care how they do it, just make the defense serviceable enough to get to the SB. It's that or it's fail, with or without Houston and Ford.
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Yeah, our defense last year had nothing to do with having a secondary comprised of a bunch of cast-offs, and ILB's who couldn't fill a gap if it was between their teeth.

Imagine how bad the defense would have been without rushing the passer? Or are you making an argument that pass rush is overrated? PLEASE go on record with THAT position.

I'm starting to think that word is used a lot on here but y'all really don't know how to use it... LOL
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I dont care what the Defense does as long as it isn't pushed around like it was in those embarrassing Play-off games against PIt, Ten and the AFCCG.

We need a defense that isn't going to Keep Pat on the sidelines holding his Dick.
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I do know the Chiefs didn’t trade the best player on the team. Not close.

I do know a second round pick in 2020 is not the same value as a comp 3rd rounder in 2020. It’s much more valuable.

I do know the offseason isn’t over yet. You’re right that pass rush is important, but pass rush at the expense of the run defense and any sort of discipline is an overrated factor. And that’s what your boi provided/(s)

We know there’s better than a 50 percent chance your boo gets hurt and misses time or is slowed by injury. Makes it hard to say there’s a 90 percent chance he outperforms anyone.

Speaks wasn’t drafted as a pass rusher. He was drafted as a versatile, all-around defender who could help in run defense. He’ll fit well in an even front that moves him inside in pass rushing situations.
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