Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
Without question.
And you've devalued the dollar significantly in the process.
Side effects may not justify the cure on this one. This is an EXTREME measure and if that's the direction they go, they had better have some really good ****ing science that says "we do this or several million people WILL die..."
Not might die, but will. This isn't the thing you do to pre-emptively address a calamity, it's something you do to avoid an imminent one. This will fundamentally alter this nation and perhaps permanently.
If there's a way to do ANYTHING other than this, then you cannot do this. I'm truly floored by the transformation of our economy proposed in that legislation.
The precedent that has been set here scares the shit out of me more than this incident to be honest. [Reply]
Of course an increasing number of young people are catching it, because an increasing number of people in general are catching it. The question is how many young people are catching it and recovering, or how many are dying from it? Let me know when there is a rise in the latter number. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Rain Man:
They developed a drug. Developed. (Looks around with satisfaction.)
I think everyone is focusing on the negative effects of the corona virus exposure. You would have been better off shuttering this post for a while. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Dunit35:
Agreed. The news and mainly social media is the big problem here. All doom and gloom all the time. Every time someone mentions toilet paper being in stock people are scooping it up. I’ve removed probably 15-20 people from my social media due to them not calming down.
Both grocery stores yesterday were pretty bare. Picked up the last two breast packages of chicken. I did get chicken thighs, wings, legs, and a couple whole chickens so we’re going to be eating pretty good. There was no ground beef or turkey.
Overall, I don't think media is doing a bad job at all. It is not their fault people are freaking out. I mean you say they are doom and gloom -- well there really isn't much good news to report. What do you want them to say? That the virus isn't spreading? [Reply]
Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy:
Overall, I don't think media is doing a bad job at all. It is not their fault people are freaking out. I mean you say they are doom and gloom -- well there really isn't much good news to report. What do you want them to say? That the virus isn't spreading?
I stay away from the news so I don't know what they're saying.... but, maybe urge people to stop being so fucking selfish with the hoarding.
And educating people instead of fear mongering. [Reply]
Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy:
Overall, I don't think media is doing a bad job at all. It is not their fault people are freaking out. I mean you say they are doom and gloom -- well there really isn't much good news to report. What do you want them to say? That the virus isn't spreading?
They have conditioned this kind of society though, the 24 hour news cycle, the fact that even on regular TV the news is on constantly. They have conditioned a section of our population, mainly the suburban middle class people, watch all this and think the world is the worst it's ever been, there is no hope, you can't step outside and mass panic must happen.
These are people that think because a minority said hi to them at a grocery store they were almost a human trafficking victim.
Originally Posted by backinblack:
Of course an increasing number of young people are catching it, because an increasing number of people in general are catching it. The question is how many young people are catching it and recovering, or how many are dying from it? Let me know when there is a rise in the latter number.
Titty meat will be our experimental subject the perfect guinea pig for the test. [Reply]
Originally Posted by :
Elon Musk, the SpaceX and Tesla CEO who once called panic over the coronavirus outbreak "dumb," has offered to make ventilators for patients if necessary.
In a Twitter thread where Musk discussed the possibility of a drug used to treat malaria as an option for COVID-19 patients, a user who said he's a Tesla owner pleaded with the CEO to repurpose factories to make ventilators.
"We will make ventilators if there is a shortage," Musk said in response.
After Musk was informed ventilator shortages are already happening, he followed up seeking information on affected hospitals.
"Tesla makes cars with sophisticated hvac systems," wrote Musk. "SpaceX makes spacecraft with life support systems. Ventilators are not difficult, but cannot be produced instantly."
Originally Posted by BigRedChief:
Sorry man, I've already been warned. I have to let this conversation go.
You could have just not responded in the first place. We would have all been fine not knowing that you have a political take that you’re not going to post. [Reply]
HUGE: Plotting where Malaria drugs (chloroquine) are used vs. Coronavirus infections shows a strong inverse correlation. Where these drugs are used, there's virtually NO Covid-19 infections.https://t.co/vqGHvxj7Vqpic.twitter.com/SucFpWEnll
Originally Posted by Marcellus:
This type of shit drives me nuts. No details, no background, just "an increasing number". If you don't have the actual data :-)
Actually the article does state that the patients had no underlying issues and were not vaping or smoking.
Originally Posted by :
He told the Brussels Times they have "blank medical records" with no underlying conditions to make them high risk.
"They are people who do not smoke, who have no other conditions such as diabetes or heart failure," he said.
Originally Posted by Bearcat:
I stay away from the news so I don't know what they're saying.... but, maybe urge people to stop being so ****ing selfish with the hoarding.
And educating people instead of fear mongering.
I hear you. I think it is hard to educate people on this virus though. There are so many unknowns. What we do know is people can show no symptoms up to two-weeks and spread it. It is highly contagious. Mostly old people die from it but young people can too. It has a relatively low morality rate. It came from bats in China during their disgusting wet markets more than likely. There is no vaccine. Dogs and cats can't get or spread the virus.
And i do think media should report worst case sceneries just like they should best case sceneries. Americans should know what might be in store for us. [Reply]
