I thought it was 3 things away from being Empire-level great.
Less Tarkin. The uncanny valley was too much for me. It constantly took me out of the film. He didn't even need to be in there. They could have made it someone else and it would have been just fine.
More Saw Gerrera. He didn't get enough screen time, and I feel like Whitaker's performance was too good for what we got of him. His story needed more. I have a feeling a lot of it was left on the cutting room floor, so to speak.
Vader's cheesy ass choke line. CUT IT. FUCK. That was awful.
Other than that, it was awesome on all fronts. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Silock:
I thought it was 3 things away from being Empire-level great.
Less Tarkin. The uncanny valley was too much for me. It constantly took me out of the film. He didn't even need to be in there. They could have made it someone else and it would have been just fine.
More Saw Gerrera. He didn't get enough screen time, and I feel like Whitaker's performance was too good for what we got of him. His story needed more. I have a feeling a lot of it was left on the cutting room floor, so to speak.
Vader's cheesy ass choke line. CUT IT. ****. That was awful.
Other than that, it was awesome on all fronts.
Saw Gerrera (and Forest) were something I could have done without. [Reply]
Vader's choke on your ambitions line was a little cheesy, but he needed to say something smart ass there.
I liked Saw Gerrera's character, but I see no reason to add more of him. He served his purpose. Much like Vader, this wasn't his story.
It had to be Tarkin. Think of where we are in the time line. Had they put someone else in charge, it would disrupt things. We are days away from A New Hope, and you want to put someone else in charge of the death star? I don't get the argument the CGI takes you out of the film. It would have taken me out of the story had they put someone else in charge of the death star for a few days.
but I think overall we're in agreement, this movie is great, and hands down the best Star Wars since the OT, right? [Reply]
Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud:
After seeing Rogue One, I think that I may have figured out the identity of Rey's mother. I'll post as spoilers in all three Star Wars threads, even though these are "Spoiler" threads.
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I have speculated (as have others) that Rey is a Kenobi but now, I believe she's a Kenobi AND a Skywalker.
Chopper is seen on the Yavin 4 base and the Ghost is seen on the attack at Scarif. This most certainly means that the crew of the Ghost is on Yavin 4 and "General Syndulla" was clearly heard on the loudspeaker. While a case could be made that it's Cham Syndulla, I believe it was Hera.
In last week's Star Wars Rebels, it was revealed that Darth Maul kept the Darksaber, the weapon he used to kill Duchess Satine of Mandalore. Even though Sabine Wren had been ordered to stay out of the cave, she entered and was strangely drawn to the remanants of the Darksaber, which she picked up and took for her own.
As mentioned previously, I've speculated (and actually am convinced) that Obi Wan Kenobi and Duchess Satine of Mandalore had an affair, which resulted in the birth of a child.
This child, in my belief, is Sabine Wren.
Since the crew of the Ghost were all present on Yavin 4, Sabine Wren would have been there, too. As we all know, Luke Skywalker was on Yavin 4 and destroyed the Death Star. It's likely that Luke and Sabine met and at some point in time, hooked up, which resulted in their child, Rey.
This would make sense as to why Rey heard Obi Wan's voice repeatedly, as well as seeing visions of Luke, Vader and Ach-Two.
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Them both being on Yavin is sort of irrelevant, since Rey was born 15 years after that.
Also it seems too deep in EU lore to me, and the double reveal could come across as hokey (I'm your father! And this character from the cartoon is your mother! And Obi-Wan is your grandfather!). I could be wrong, but my guess is that they'll go with something simpler.
Originally Posted by kcfanXIII:
but I think overall we're in agreement, this movie is great, and hands down the best Star Wars since the OT, right?
With each film release, Return of the Jedi becomes dumber and dumber.
It's no secret to anyone that's read my Star Wars related posts to see this assertion but after seeing Rogue One twice now, ROTJ makes zero sense in the grand scheme of the Star Wars universe.
Let's just set aside the fact that Luke Skywalker could have easily walked into Jabba's palace, freed Han Solo and taken off for Dagobah, we had to sit through a crappy 25 minute "rescue" mission, complete with Muppets that never made it on to the weekly program. Then, we watch Yoda disappear (WTF?), Luke turn him in to a weepy Darth Vader (It's...too late for me, Son"), only to watch a dopey Dog & Pony show while both Luke and Anakin (and he was Anakin pretty much at that point) stand before the Emperor, who could easily wipe either of them out with the wave of his hand.
But even far, far dumber is that a pack of 3 foot tall, walking, talking Teddy Bears wipes out the Empire's best garrison. We see an ordinary garrison on Scarif destroy and kill passionate men fighting for the Rebel Alliance yet a bunch of Teddy Bears can whoop Imperial Storm Troopers, destroy AT-AT's and allow the shield generator to be destroyed.
I know there's a ton of hate for the prequels but ROTJ is an awful movie that's just plain dumb. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Jamie:
[spoiler]Them both being on Yavin is sort of irrelevant, since Rey was born 15 years after that.
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It's relevant because it puts them in the same location.
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Also it seems too deep in EU lore to me, and the double reveal could come across as hokey (I'm your father! And this character from the cartoon is your mother! And Obi-Wan is your grandfather!). I could be wrong, but my guess is that they'll go with something simpler.
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Simpler? Like what? Han and Leia are Rey's parents? Don't they appear to be too old to have given birth to a 19 year old? And why would they dump her off on Jakku at age 5? Leia's one of the most powerful people in the New Republic.
Other than that, there's nothing. We've never seen Luke with a woman. So what is "simpler"?
It's relevant because it puts them in the same location.
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Also it seems too deep in EU lore to me, and the double reveal could come across as hokey (I'm your father! And this character from the cartoon is your mother! And Obi-Wan is your grandfather!). I could be wrong, but my guess is that they'll go with something simpler.
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Simpler? Like what? Han and Leia are Rey's parents? Don't they appear to be too old to have given birth to a 19 year old? And why would they dump her off on Jakku at age 5? Leia's one of the most powerful people in the New Republic.
Other than that, there's nothing. We've never seen Luke with a woman. So what is "simpler"?
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In the same location 15 years too early. I don't think that makes it any more (or less) likely that they got together.
Leia would have been in her mid-30s when Rey was born, so no, I don't think too old. She probably should have been too old (I still think too little time passed between Ep. 6 and 7) but canonically she isn't. I hope it's not that and I don't think it will be. And the fact we haven't seen Luke with a woman doesn't mean anything. A lot of time passed off-screen. I mean, we haven't seen Obi-Wan with woman either, unless he banged someone in a cartoon or book or something.
By simple I mean I don't think it'll be a multi-part reveal. It'll be she's Luke's daughter or Obi-Wan's granddaughter, not both. I sort of like the idea that she's a Palpatine. Like maybe he had family on Naboo that had to go into hiding when the Empire fell. I wouldn't go so far as to call that a theory though.
In the same location 15 years too early. I don't think that makes it any more (or less) likely that they got together.
Leia would have been in her mid-30s when Rey was born, so no, I don't think too old. She probably should have been too old (I still think too little time passed between Ep. 6 and 7) but canonically she isn't. I hope it's not that and I don't think it will be. And the fact we haven't seen Luke with a woman doesn't mean anything. A lot of time passed off-screen.
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It doesn't make any sense for Kylo Ren and Rey to be sisters. Ren would certainly have remembered his own sister, as he's at least 12 years older than Rey. He would have also known her "through The Force" and would have recognized her with his mind probe.
I think there are too many unanswered questions for Han and Leia to be her parents. Was Han Solo so cold that he didn't recognize or acknowledge his own daughter before he died trying to save his son?
Originally Posted by Jamie:
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I mean, we haven't seen Obi-Wan with woman either, unless he banged someone in a cartoon or book or something.
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It's been intimated that Obi Wan and the Duchess Satine of Mandalore were very, very close, so much so that Darth Maul killed her (Maul has an intense hatred of Obi Wan and in last week's episode, it was revealed that he kept the weapon he used to kill Satine, just before he learned the location of Kenobi. Sabine Wren, a Mandalorian, saw the Darksaber and took it for herself.
So, yes, it's very possible.
Originally Posted by Jamie:
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By simple I mean I don't think it'll be a multi-part reveal. It'll be she's Luke's daughter or Obi-Wan's granddaughter, not both. I sort of like the idea that she's a Palpatine. Like maybe he had family on Naboo that had to go into hiding when the Empire fell. I wouldn't go so far as to call that a theory though.
Spoiler!
If she's Luke's daughter, who's the mother? The answer could be pretty simple.
If she's Obi Wan's granddaughter, who was woman Obi Wan impregnated, the child, the husband/wife of the child and Rey's actual parents? That is far, far more complicated than Luke and Sabine.
And I'm sorry but Palpatine? KK and Lucasfilm are trying to distance themselves from the prequels. Putting Palpatine back in the equation just opens Pandora's Box.
Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud:
With each film release, Return of the Jedi becomes dumber and dumber.
It's no secret to anyone that's read my Star Wars related posts to see this assertion but after seeing Rogue One twice now, ROTJ makes zero sense in the grand scheme of the Star Wars universe.
Let's just set aside the fact that Luke Skywalker could have easily walked into Jabba's palace, freed Han Solo and taken off for Dagobah, we had to sit through a crappy 25 minute "rescue" mission, complete with Muppets that never made it on to the weekly program. Then, we watch Yoda disappear (WTF?), Luke turn him in to a weepy Darth Vader (It's...too late for me, Son"), only to watch a dopey Dog & Pony show while both Luke and Anakin (and he was Anakin pretty much at that point) stand before the Emperor, who could easily wipe either of them out with the wave of his hand.
But even far, far dumber is that a pack of 3 foot tall, walking, talking Teddy Bears wipes out the Empire's best garrison. We see an ordinary garrison on Scarif destroy and kill passionate men fighting for the Rebel Alliance yet a bunch of Teddy Bears can whoop Imperial Storm Troopers, destroy AT-AT's and allow the shield generator to be destroyed.
I know there's a ton of hate for the prequels but ROTJ is an awful movie that's just plain dumb.
I feel like I've read that somewhere before. My answer to the Ewoks thing is this, Imagine them as wookies. That's what they were supposed to be. I forget the reason they chopped them into thirds to get ewoks, but wookies would have been a far better choice. I've often wondered the same thing about the rescue mission. Seemed awful elaborate when jedi Luke could have just taken him with little effort. Yoda's death scene in Jedi is literally one of the first things I remember in my entire life. (Went and saw ROTJ as a reward for mastering the pisser.) So it holds a sentimental place in my heart.
I just can't admit that anything with Hayden Christianson is better than my favorite childhood movies. [Reply]
It doesn't make any sense for Kylo Ren and Rey to be sisters. Ren would certainly have remembered his own sister, as he's at least 12 years older than Rey. He would have also known her "through The Force" and would have recognized her with his mind probe.
I think there are too many unanswered questions for Han and Leia to be her parents. Was Han Solo so cold that he didn't recognize or acknowledge his own daughter before he died trying to save his son?
I don't disagree, I was just saying that it's not impossible on timeline terms.
Originally Posted by :
Spoiler!
It's been intimated that Obi Wan and the Duchess Satine of Mandalore were very, very close, so much so that Darth Maul killed her (Maul has an intense hatred of Obi Wan and in last week's episode, it was revealed that he kept the weapon he used to kill Satine, just before he learned the location of Kenobi. Sabine Wren, a Mandalorian, saw the Darksaber and took it for herself.
So, yes, it's very possible.
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Right, I'm just saying the fact we've never seen Luke with a women isn't really evidence of anything.
Originally Posted by :
Spoiler!
If she's Luke's daughter, who's the mother? The answer could be pretty simple.
If she's Obi Wan's granddaughter, who was woman Obi Wan impregnated, the child, the husband/wife of the child and Rey's actual parents? That is far, far more complicated than Luke and Sabine.
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Doesn't matter. In Empire when Vader says "I am your father" are you thinking "but who's his mother?"
Originally Posted by :
Spoiler!
And I'm sorry but Palpatine? KK and Lucasfilm are trying to distance themselves from the prequels. Putting Palpatine back in the equation just opens Pandora's Box.
Spoiler!
Palpatine isn't any more of a prequel character than Obi-Wan or Darth Vader.
Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud:
With each film release, Return of the Jedi becomes dumber and dumber.
It's no secret to anyone that's read my Star Wars related posts to see this assertion but after seeing Rogue One twice now, ROTJ makes zero sense in the grand scheme of the Star Wars universe.
Let's just set aside the fact that Luke Skywalker could have easily walked into Jabba's palace, freed Han Solo and taken off for Dagobah, we had to sit through a crappy 25 minute "rescue" mission, complete with Muppets that never made it on to the weekly program. Then, we watch Yoda disappear (WTF?), Luke turn him in to a weepy Darth Vader (It's...too late for me, Son"), only to watch a dopey Dog & Pony show while both Luke and Anakin (and he was Anakin pretty much at that point) stand before the Emperor, who could easily wipe either of them out with the wave of his hand.
But even far, far dumber is that a pack of 3 foot tall, walking, talking Teddy Bears wipes out the Empire's best garrison. We see an ordinary garrison on Scarif destroy and kill passionate men fighting for the Rebel Alliance yet a bunch of Teddy Bears can whoop Imperial Storm Troopers, destroy AT-AT's and allow the shield generator to be destroyed.
I know there's a ton of hate for the prequels but ROTJ is an awful movie that's just plain dumb.
Don't forget the Star Destroyer sized plot stupidity of having the emperor give away the actual shield detector specs to the rebels. Why didn't he, I don't know, give them either false plans to a plans to a decoy that would ensure that the rebels would fail no matter what?
ROTJ has a lot of problems. I still watch it for the last fight between Luke and Vader and for sentimental purposes, but it's a listless shadow of ANH. [Reply]
