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Nzoner's Game Room>Eric Berry has a Haglund’s deformity on his heel
DaFace 01:06 PM 09-29-2018
Yes, it's in the other thread. Bite me.

https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2018/...ty-on-his-heel

REPORT: Eric Berry has a Haglund’s deformity on his heel
New information on Berry’s sore heel injury emerged on Saturday.

By Pete Sweeney Sep 29, 2018, 1:15pm CDT

Eric Berry has not practiced or played for the Kansas City Chiefs since August 11 in St. Joseph, Missouri, because of what the team has described as a “sore heel.”

The last we heard from the Chiefs athletic training staff was in early September, when head athletic trainer Rick Burkholder described the injury as “literally day to day.”

More information on Berry’s injury emerged Saturday morning, via NFL Network’s Mike Garafolo:

Mike Garafolo: “My understanding, and I’ve spoken to people familiar with his injury situation. He’s got what’s called a Haglund’s deformity in that Achilles. That’s a bone spur that basically digs into the Achilles. Shaun O’ Hara, our colleague at NFL Network, he had it. I spoke to him this week. He said it is extremely painful. He actually used a more colorful word that I won’t use here. It’s just something that continues to irritate the area. Some guys have been able to play with it—you get a shoe here or there, you can adjust … but that’s what’s going on. It’s going to be a pain management thing. It’s not like this thing will tear the Achilles necessarily. A lot of these cases don’t result in a tear, but that’s why with Berry right now, he has not played, and they’ve been doing OK. That’s going to allow them a little bit more patience with Berry, but it is extremely painful.”

This provides a little more clarity than Berry’s injury simply being a “sore heel,” which is good, but what’s bad is there still seems to be no timetable. Remember, Berry missed nearly the entirety of the 2017 season due to a ruptured Achilles on the other leg.

Chiefs head coach Andy Reid was mum on the injury when asked about it Saturday afternoon after the Chiefs’ final practice of the week.

Berry is officially ruled doubtful heading into the Monday night game against the Denver Broncos.

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Here are the notes from our in-house medical expert, Aaron Borgmann:

A lot of talk today regarding something known as a Haglund’s deformity. It was reported by a media source that the player in question suffers from this condition. This discussion is not to confirm or deny that possibility, as I can only explain the available information that we have been given. To be clear, the team has not confirmed this diagnosis and I have no advance knowledge of the player’s current condition.

The simple explanation here that it is indeed a bone spur on the backside of someone’s heel. This is frequently known as a “pump bump” from the occurrence that it is often seen in women’s fashion from the shoes that they wear. However, incidence in football players is also common, sometimes referred to as “retrocalcaneal bursitis” as well.

The bone spur irritates the bursa (fluid-filled sac) that sits between the bone and the tendon or even the tendon itself directly. This can cause a great deal of inflammation and discomfort with any sort of dynamic ankle/foot movement, worse with pressure on the spot itself.

Having one in and of itself it not uncommon, but the degree to which it bothers someone is the issue. Depending upon demands of movement, these can range from debilitating to just a nuisance. Obviously, in football players, the degree of inflammation is what dictates the level of function.

These are diagnosed both visually and radiographically and it is a situation where if you see it and player complains of certain symptoms (pain with movement in that exact spot, swelling, redness) then you can be pretty sure that is what it is.

Treatment focuses on reduction of inflammation obviously directly over the spot. This can be done both topically and through systemic medication. Soft tissue lengthening in both the calf and bottom of the foot is also done to alleviate the issue from both sides – this is due to the fact that both the calf and plantar fascia connect to the calcaneus (heel bone) on either side.

Not to be forgotten is footwear modification and adjustment. Very rigid shoes can cause this irritation, and in some athletes, I would even cut the shoe in the heel to allow room for the bump. Other options include specialized padding and friction reduction methods. Heel lifts have been shown to be helpful in some.

For this condition, non-surgical intervention is preferred to reduce the inflammation as opposed to surgical due to the immobilization period.

If the inflammation can be reduced and the function level high, many players learned to adapt their daily routines to accommodate. They may have to put in a bit more time in order to get ready due to the condition’s demands but can nonetheless get by and still perform at a high level.
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patteeu 09:18 PM 10-16-2018
I hope this doesn't turn into a Michael Porter Jr. situation where Berry sits out and then comes in to play at the end only to be in disappointing (but understandable) form upon return.
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mlyonsd 09:31 PM 10-16-2018
If you've ever had foot problems and read up on this Haglund's thing there is no doubt to me he has a real issue and not bagging it.

Probably career ending. Hopefully he does the right thing and let the chiefs out of some money since they went all in on him with the cancer thing.
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GloryDayz 09:39 PM 10-16-2018
Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins:
I'm not going to sit here and cast aspersions on the toughness of a guy that came back from lymphoma.

There also exists a possibility where this deformity is so painful that attempting to play through it would hobble him to the extent that he's even worse than what's on the field.
Nobody's casting aspersions about what he went through with lymphoma, but, because this is a business, if he can't play the company needs to deal with the current situation as a current day business decision, without regards to what he went through before.
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-King- 09:43 PM 10-16-2018
Originally Posted by Superturtle:
Chiefs need to quit lying to the fans and Berry needs to have surgery or retire if the pain is that debilitating.
How are they lying to fans?
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In58men 09:49 PM 10-16-2018
Originally Posted by -King-:
How are they lying to fans?
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About making progress, maybe?

Or that he’s day to day every week?
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Sweet Daddy Hate 09:52 PM 10-16-2018
Originally Posted by mlyonsd:
If you've ever had foot problems and read up on this Haglund's thing there is no doubt to me he has a real issue and not bagging it.

Probably career ending. Hopefully he does the right thing and let the chiefs out of some money since they went all in on him with the cancer thing.

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Sweet Daddy Hate 09:56 PM 10-16-2018
Originally Posted by -King-:
How are they lying to fans?
Posted via Mobile Device
"Withholding" would be more accurate.
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BossChief 10:14 PM 10-16-2018
How the Chiefs are dealing with this is commendable, but possibly very foolish.

Berry has treated KC like a business while KC has treated Berry like family.

Any other team would have put Berry on the NFI list when he got cancer and put him on NFI this year with a physical deformity that’s preventing him from playing and isn’t a football related injury.

When other teams have players that have conditions that prevent them from fulfilling their contract, they place them on NFI and pay them a portion of their salary while freeing up the salary cap and roster spot in the process.

Berry demands top dollar from KC (has signed the 2 largest contracts for a safety in NFL history) and has a “**** you, pay me” way of negotiating contracts.

Sad that in those 2 massive deals, we haven’t had Eric for what seems like half the time. We need him more than ever this year.
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mlyonsd 10:15 PM 10-16-2018
Originally Posted by Claysexual:
Dorsey had it right if the rumors are true. I have a bad feeling we let him go.
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Marcellus 06:46 AM 10-17-2018
Originally Posted by Superturtle:
Chiefs need to quit lying to the fans and Berry needs to have surgery or retire if the pain is that debilitating.
I see this comment made repeatedly yet not a single person has provided a motive as to why the team would be "lying to the fans" nor explained what that accomplishes.

You know why? Because it makes no fucking sense. There is no motive or gain to that stupid theory.

If they knew he couldn't play he would be on IR, its that fucking simple you whiny bitches.

Fucking internet message board posters who cant handle a player being hurt without acting like insane teenage girls are questioning the toughness of a guy who missed less than 1 season beating cancer.

Just amazing.
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Red Dawg 06:49 AM 10-17-2018
Originally Posted by Claysexual:
"Withholding" would be more accurate.
Same thing. Silence and integrity are no the same thing.
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staylor26 06:51 AM 10-17-2018
Originally Posted by Marcellus:
I see this comment made repeatedly yet not a single person has provided a motive as to why the team would be "lying to the fans" nor explained what that accomplishes.

You know why? Because it makes no ****ing sense. There is no motive or gain to that stupid theory.

If they knew he couldn't play he would be on IR, its that ****ing simple you whiny bitches.

****ing internet message board posters who cant handle a player being hurt without acting like insane teenage girls are questioning the toughness of a guy who missed less than 1 season beating cancer.

Just amazing.
:-)

These idiots let their emotions get the best of them all the time in these situations.
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Sassy Squatch 07:00 AM 10-17-2018
Originally Posted by Marcellus:
I see this comment made repeatedly yet not a single person has provided a motive as to why the team would be "lying to the fans" nor explained what that accomplishes.

You know why? Because it makes no fucking sense. There is no motive or gain to that stupid theory.

If they knew he couldn't play he would be on IR, its that fucking simple you whiny bitches.

Fucking internet message board posters who cant handle a player being hurt without acting like insane teenage girls are questioning the toughness of a guy who missed less than 1 season beating cancer.

Just amazing.
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Published: Sept. 24, 2018 at 04:36 p.m.
Updated: Oct. 16, 2018 at 06:06 p.m.
Chiefs continue to inquire about trade for Earl Thomas

Herbie Teope
Around The NFL Writer



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The Dallas Cowboys were often linked to trading for Seattle Seahawks safety Earl Thomas, but the Kansas City Chiefs emerged in numerous Sunday morning reports as a potential trade partner.

A day later, Chiefs head coach Andy Reid took a moment during his news conference to address whether the team would consider making an in-season move via trade to help the roster.

Reid didn't specifically mention Thomas' name -- a good thing when considering the safety is still under contract with the Seahawks -- but the head coach downplayed reports the Chiefs were involved in trade talks.


"Right now we don't have anything and that's not where we're at," Reid told reporters Monday, via the Chiefs official website. "I know the rumor is out there, but that's not where we're at."

Nevertheless, perhaps there is more to the Thomas reports than what Reid can publicly disclose.

A team source on Monday told NFL.com's Jeffri Chadiha that the Chiefs continue to inquire about a trade for Thomas but admits it would be difficult pull off. The source said the interest in Thomas is not related to any concerns over the health of Eric Berry.

Berry has dealt with a heel injury that has prevented him from practicing since early August and he's also returning from a ruptured Achilles tendon he suffered in the 2017 regular-season opener.

The Chiefs are hopeful that Berry, who has shown positive signs during the rehabilitation process, can resume on-field work this week, Chadiha reported. Chadiha added the more realistic expectation is that Berry could return in time when the Chiefs host the Jacksonville Jaguars at Arrowhead Stadium in Week 5.


Same bullshit narrative they've been pushing all year. "Don't worry, guys, he's almost ready. Just a couple more weeks." They said that shit week 1. And week 2. And week 3. They're either completely full of shit on how bad his heel actually is or they're hilariously incompetent at diagnosing when players are ready to play. Judging by the Houston debacle, its probably a bit of both.
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notorious 07:03 AM 10-17-2018
Yeah, it’s wrong to be frustrated that the largest salary cap safety in the NFL hasn’t seen the field in 1 1/2 seasons, and on top of it has an injury that’s been day-to-day for months.
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11Chiefs 07:04 AM 10-17-2018
We have reached the point of the "Catapano/Charles" communication plan.

IMO... Berry doesn't play another snap of football as a Chief, maybe ever. Berry has all the bargaining chips in his favor. He controls his own destiny. He sits on the bench (collecting coin) until the organization gives him what he wants for an injury settlement.

It's time to cut this expense lure off and find a new fishing hole.
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