Originally Posted by BWillie:
I doubt they touch on that. It was a de facto punishment though. The NBA was pumping full speed ahead, at a level of popularity never achieved before. It was punishment for gambling. His dad was also murdered because he owed bookies some money, and he just decided he wasn't going to pay them because he's Michael Jordan.
Originally Posted by dj56dt58:
except none of this is true
I actually am a staunch supporter of being able to be a heavy gambler despite any job or public image one has. But if you lose you have to pay your debts. [Reply]
Originally Posted by BWillie:
I doubt they touch on that. It was a de facto punishment though. The NBA was pumping full speed ahead, at a level of popularity never achieved before. It was punishment for gambling. His dad was also murdered because he owed bookies some money, and he just decided he wasn't going to pay them because he's Michael Jordan.
They did.
I never knew Pippen quit like that. Holy cow. [Reply]
Back in the 80's and 90's, I wasn't into college or NBA basketball, other than being a casual observer, until maybe Jordan's final season with the Bulls. The only thing I knew about him, other than quitting the Bulls for AA ball, was that he was biggest sports star in the world, with his face absolutely everywhere.
From an outsider's point of view, it's an interesting look into "greatness" and after watching 8 episodes, he's not unlike people in other categories of fame, whether it's the "greatest" actor in the world or the "greatest" singer or guitarist in the world - they're all pretty much what I would consider, assholes.
For whatever reason, our society frowns upon everyday people acting like assholes but if you're "great" at or in something, it's waved off. It's an interesting phenomena... [Reply]
I'm 37. I grew up with these teams. I never blamed Pippen for refusing to go into that game, and I never blamed his teammates for feeling betrayed. Pippen ate shit for years, was criminally underpaid and underappreciated, and that season he was one of the three best players in the game. He earned the right to take that shot, and Phil should have given it to him. It's great that it worked out, I'm still happy that Kukoc made that shot, because he had to eat a lot of shit too, and the Bulls really should have won that series (Hugh Hollins absolutely fucked them on a foul call that swung Game 5). [Reply]
Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud:
Back in the 80's and 90's, I wasn't into college or NBA basketball, other than being a casual observer, until maybe Jordan's final season with the Bulls. The only thing I knew about him, other than quitting the Bulls for AA ball, was that he was biggest sports star in the world, with his face absolutely everywhere.
From an outsider's point of view, it's an interesting look into "greatness" and after watching 8 episodes, he's not unlike people in other categories of fame, whether it's the "greatest" actor in the world or the "greatest" singer or guitarist in the world - they're all pretty much what I would consider, assholes.
For whatever reason, our society frowns upon everyday people acting like assholes but if you're "great" at or in something, it's waved off. It's an interesting phenomena...
Yea. To me it's a given. Nice guys finish last. Guitar players are assholes in general though. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud:
Back in the 80's and 90's, I wasn't into college or NBA basketball, other than being a casual observer, until maybe Jordan's final season with the Bulls. The only thing I knew about him, other than quitting the Bulls for AA ball, was that he was biggest sports star in the world, with his face absolutely everywhere.
From an outsider's point of view, it's an interesting look into "greatness" and after watching 8 episodes, he's not unlike people in other categories of fame, whether it's the "greatest" actor in the world or the "greatest" singer or guitarist in the world - they're all pretty much what I would consider, assholes.
For whatever reason, our society frowns upon everyday people acting like assholes but if you're "great" at or in something, it's waved off. It's an interesting phenomena...
I'd replace being an "asshole" with being "demanding". I find, when you work with high end professionals in any situation, they're going to demand those around them hold their same high standard. If that makes them look like an "asshole", so be it.
I've got a good buddy from my old job who's at the top of his field and a great guy to go out with for beers, but , boy oh boy, he was demanding when you're working with him.
IMO - Jordan used practice to demand that his team-mates be able to play against the adversity they'd see game time. It was also probably practice to test out his best shit talk tactics against his adversaries. win-win.
It's kind of like Van Halen's "No brown M&Ms rider". Were they assholes or demanding?
For those yougin's who don't know, here's David Lee Roth rambling about the brown M&Ms rider, (decent story):
Originally Posted by Gadzooks:
I'd replace being an "asshole" with being "demanding". I find, when you work with high end professionals in any situation, they're going to demand those around them hold their same high standard. If that makes them look like an "asshole", so be it.
Calling people "fucking flaming pillowbitergots" and saying things like "I want the money in your pocket to be MY money" is not "demanding", it's being an asshole.
Jordan earning $36 million while his running mate is earning $2 million is not being demanding, it's him being a asshole. Not giving a shit about anyone else but yourself, is being a narcissistic asshole. If Jordan was ruler of a country, he'd be a totalitarian dictator.
As long as you're the "greatest" at something, that behavior seems to be all fine and dandy, but that doesn't fly in the real world for "normal" people. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud:
Calling people "****ing flaming pillowbitergots" and saying things like "I want the money in your pocket to be MY money" is not "demanding", it's being an asshole.
Jordan earning $36 million while his running mate is earning $2 million is not being demanding, it's him being a asshole. Not giving a shit about anyone else but yourself, is being a narcissistic asshole. If Jordan was ruler of a country, he'd be a totalitarian dictator.
As long as you're the "greatest" at something, that behavior seems to be all fine and dandy, but that doesn't fly in the real world for "normal" people.
Jordan was lucky he went to a perfect situation. Imagine him pulling that shit in Portland? [Reply]