More trade news: The #Chiefs are deep in talks with the #49ers on a trade for star pass-rusher Dee Ford, sources say. Things have escalated and this could get done by the end of the night. Ford needs to work out a new contract with SF, which is a big piece of this.
Originally Posted by duncan_idaho:
My Ford stance has nothing to do with that. It’s about the player, his deficiencies, and what they do to the D around him.
The offsides is part of his deficiencies.
He's a fucking moron. Tredadda nailed it a few posts earlier. He's undisciplined. Add that to all of his other shortcomings, and we arrive at the same conclusion: he's just not worth a longterm deal, and if you can ship him out before committing $15 million for one year of a tag contract, you do that ASAP. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
A 2020 2nd has a current value of a third.
This ain't hard.
Peters was absolutely a shit return because we fucking NEEDED that guy last season. He was actually solid in the 2nd half of the year and wouldn't have had the adjustment period had we just kept him. You telling me he wouldn't have made a difference in the AFC Championship?
These are poor returns on talented players with deals paying them under market.
How in the hell is $87MM under market for Ford? He was comically overpaid..
Originally Posted by RealSNR:
Here's film clip #1 that he should watch!
Game of inches. Brady's career sums it up pretty well. Tuck rule, Caroll's goal line decision, and the Ford offsides. 6 rings or 3 rings? Game of inches. Guess the Patriot fans would point to the losses against the Giants as evidence of this from the other direction. Some very flukey plays in those Giant wins. [Reply]
Originally Posted by duncan_idaho:
Just because you keep saying he isn't doesn't make it true, either.
In the type of defense Spagnuolo has run in the past and is likely to run now, Ford is a DE. Committing big money and years to Ford would be committing to ALWAYS having to compensate for his weakness against the run. His skill set is best used in pass rush situations in the type of defense Spagnuolo has run in the past. Thus... situational pass rusher.
Good luck to the 49ers with this one.
Hey genius, Ford's natural position is DE. Plus, Spag's system utilizes a LEO end that's a pass rush specialist more so than a run stopper. While he doesn't have protypical size, he is elite at rushing the passer.
Meanwhile in Spag's system the safety is often tasked with coverage responsibilities that are clearly the Honey Badger's weakness. [Reply]
There's a good possibility that Ford doesn't work out too well as a 4-3 DE so I'm glad we got a 2nd round pick for him and it should be a good pick since the 9ers suck ass.
We have Mahomes for a long long time and getting good draft picks is good for the future. [Reply]
Moving Dee Ford was all about clearing cap and gaining ammo to move up into the draft in the 1st. Mark my words the Chiefs are going to be moving way up in the draft to get a EDGE.
Originally Posted by Willie Lanier:
I'm not entirely sure if you're being sarcastic or if you really believe what you just said...
I'm not going to delve into deep analytical stats (Im not mentally equipped to) but attempt to think about it like this, I would think based on our offensive production last year, our pass rushers were afforded near the top of the league in pass rush attempts (I have no idea if that is a stat, but given point differential and time left in the game, I'm sure someone smarter than me could figure it out) based on game situations in which it would be fair to assume the opposing team was passing in an attempt to make a comeback.
I apologize for the run on sentence in advance
He was near the top of the league in pressures normalized by pass rushing attempts. We traded a top 5 pass rusher for a next year 2nd. I would be ecstatic to trade a future second for a top five pass rusher. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
A 2020 2nd has a current value of a third.
This ain't hard.
Peters was absolutely a shit return because we fucking NEEDED that guy last season. He was actually solid in the 2nd half of the year and wouldn't have had the adjustment period had we just kept him. You telling me he wouldn't have made a difference in the AFC Championship?
These are poor returns on talented players with deals paying them under market.
So what would you value a guy that excels at one facet of his position in a deep edge rushing class? Add in the back history, the fact he wanted a mega deal right away and the lack of competition bidding for him. One team, one team was in on him in the end. [Reply]
Originally Posted by JakeF:
If they wanted to gain ammo to trade up they should have picked up draft picks THIS year.
2nd round pick is nice, regardless of 2019 or 2020. I think anyone that might trade down would view it as good compensation when combined with something else. [Reply]
Originally Posted by cdcox:
He was near the top of the league in pressures normalized by pass rushing attempts. We traded a top 5 pass rusher for a next year 2nd. I would be ecstatic to trade a future second for a top five pass rusher.
Except SF gave $88 million for a guy who is a huge injury risk. This has Houston or Berry written all over it. [Reply]
Originally Posted by tredadda:
Except we changed up defensive schemes. In a 4-3 he will be a DE which might hurt him while in a 3-4 he was an OLB. If he was a paragon of health he might be worth the money but he is a HUGE injury risk and not worth what SF paid him.
Ford is a natural DE. Undersized, but still he is better with his hand in the dirt.
You do realize that our two biggest FA signings this year and last year were both HUGE injury risks that we overpaid for?
I'd rather risk money on someone who is really good a hitting the QB. [Reply]
Moving Dee Ford was all about clearing cap and gaining ammo to move up into the draft in the 1st. Mark my words the Chiefs are going to be moving way up in the draft to get a EDGE.