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Now that the full 11-minute recording of Chiefs wide receiver Tyreek Hill and his now former fiancee, Crystal Espinal, talking about violence in their relationship has been aired, many fans are saying wow, this changes everything.
It does? That Hill, who didn’t know Espinal was taping him, denies ever hitting her or their son in what he thought was a private conversation is neither surprising nor exculpatory.
Abusers typically tell not only the police but friends, family, therapists, priests and even themselves they’ve never done anything wrong.
And if anything, the fact that Hill now says he didn’t hit punch or choke Espinal in 2014 makes him look worse rather than better. He pleaded guilty to those charges, publicly apologized, went through extensive therapy and declared himself reformed after probation. If he’s now back to saying that none of this ever happened, that’s not just a lie but a worrying one.
“I didn’t touch you in 2014,” he says on the tape. “And put that on everything I love, bro. That’s the real truth.”
That Espinal isn’t screaming at him that no, it’s not the truth, real or otherwise, is taken by some supporters as proof that he is innocent.
But why a woman who has been injured by him before and he’s threatening to hurt again might not do that should be obvious.
When she instead repeatedly asks him where her bruises came from if he never hit her, he doesn’t answer because there isn’t an answer that he likes well enough to repeat.
On Thursday, Espinal filed a petition in Johnson County seeking a paternity test for their newborn twins. She has full custody of them — they live with her — and she is asking for child support and only supervised visits for Hill. Her lawyer in the matter is legal counsel for SAFEHOME, a Johnson County group that supports survivors of domestic violence.
The NFL, meanwhile, seems ready to let Hill off with a brief suspension because the legal case against him isn’t going anywhere, but these things are still true:
Hill’s son was removed from his home after a child abuse investigation was launched. The Johnson County district attorney said the 3-year-old child had been hurt, but he didn’t have enough proof to prosecute.
On the tape, we heard Hill threaten the mother of his children with physical violence: “You need to be scared of me, too, dumb bitch.” He berates and belittles, calls her “bro” and “bitch” and of course, claims she ruined his life.
Denial of all wrongdoing is so standard in abuse cases that just a look at Thursday’s Star provides other examples, including that of Scott Hacker, the now former Parkville police officer charged with domestic violence after allegedly shooting his gun inside his home, throwing the woman who called 911 onto the couch, grabbing her by the throat and blaming her for “ending his career” by calling for help. Both before and after the cops arrived, he said he hadn’t shot the gun or touched her. But oops: A security camera in the living room apparently recorded the assault.
What Espinal was trying to get was the audio equivalent of that video.
If the NFL lets Hill back on the field this season, it will send the message that making threats and showing you’ve learned nothing from probation is no real problem, as long as you can run fast enough. The help he needs is not more denial, but just the opposite.
To the rest of you who are intent on seeing Hill as the victim, KCTV as a villain for not immediately releasing the full tape, and Espinal as a “manipulator” for wanting evidence to back her up in court, we could suggest some reading on the well-researched subject of abuse. But why, when you seem to prefer not to know?
Originally Posted by Buehler445:
How ironic that they chose the very fine people quote, which trash media like the KCS took out of context, when Trump was talking about fighters in the Civil War, so they choose to take Reids comments out of context and make it about slapping black people.
Like, you can't make this up.
Yeah, overall this comparison more likely to make people soften their stance on Trump than harden their stance on Reid. [Reply]
The Star is being squeezed for every last drop of income by Chatham, a vulture capitalist hedge fund. Once it has no more income stream, it will be sold off for parts. They barely even pay their reporters anymore. They have no interest in turning it around. [Reply]
Originally Posted by suzzer99:
The Star is being squeezed for every last drop of income by Chatham, a vulture capitalist hedge fund. Once it has no more income stream, it will be sold off for parts. They barely even pay their reporters anymore. They have no interest in turning it around.
I am quoting this post to show my agreement with Chatham vulture capitalism. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Frazod:
I really can't figure why the hell you're acting this way. I don't know if you've found religion, but in the same way an asshole who suddenly quits smoking crawls up the ass of every smoker around him. Or if you're engaged in some sort of Andy Kaufmanesqe douchebag performance art, that you alone find funny. Or if you've just lost your fucking mind. In any event, you're making it really easy for your detractors to bash you and really hard for your friends to defend you.
Please stop. Please.
And I feel the same way about that odious fucking shitrag Star that 88 does. So if you're bashing him, you're bashing me.
Yep, its hard to understand Dave these days... and the religious talk is peak cringe for sure [Reply]
Chatham Management Acquired McClatchy in June 2020. McClatchy was destroying newspapers long before that including the Star as soon as they acquired them. [Reply]
There’s such a thing as loyalty to your friends and family. Did anti-racism really need Andy to say, “Gruden is a piece of shit” in order to advance what they believe to be their cause? No? Then why should Andy do what everybody else is doing? The fact that he didn’t defend or even say, “I feel sorry for my friend” and instead just said, “No comment” should be good enough for anybody who’s not an SJW spazz.
What if this were a brother of his? Or his son? Let’s say his wife were involved with some kind of organization and had as much recognizability to the public as Gruden. Does Vag Gregorian expect him to throw his own wife under the bus to make a point that you shouldn’t use racey language even in private emails?
Originally Posted by RealSNR:
Did anti-racism really need Andy to say, “Gruden is a piece of shit” in order to advance what they believe to be their cause?
The only way to keep from being burned at the stake is to keep pointing out new witches. [Reply]
I mean, I don't read the Star unless they have some thing that comes up in a google search about the Chiefs...they seem to be an embarrassment of journalism (and no, they're not alone...). Honestly I hope they go out of business. [Reply]