Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
Originally Posted by Donger:
The difference being, of course, we can't see this enemy. It isn't malicious. You can't shoot it, or bomb it. All you can do is try to do what you can not to get it. I think that's hard for some people. Perhaps many people.
We can see the enemy and even bomb it if we so desired.
But it's a bad look to bomb someone who looks like Winnie the Pooh. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Donger:
The difference being, of course, we can't see this enemy. It isn't malicious. You can't shoot it, or bomb it. All you can do is try to do what you can not to get it. I think that's hard for some people. Perhaps many people.
I thought we were talking about Planeteers' concerns that they'll lose their home or their job or their business, Mr. Donger.
Those are the kinds of things to which I am referring ...
I am not advocating that we begin unloading clips on the virus. Especially if we're infected.
A little, but realize what has to happen to aerosolize something like that AND have it hang.
We've all operated in cold climates - the steam is essentially the moisture in your breath. Alright, well it's immediately falling when you exhale, no? And it's dispersed into trace amount (which would again be detectable, but not necessarily transmittable) with any amount of circulation.
So confined spaces with poor circulation (HELLO MASS TRANSIT) is probably not where you want to be. Because in those cases there probably is just enough contamination through potential asymptomatic carriers to spread.
But if you're in any sort of open space with any sort of circulation (i.e. can you fart in this room and not smell it a minute later), the odds are overwhelmingly positive that you're not going to get it from some dude just standing around breathing.
Now someone sneezing is going to be putting a far more concentrated spray pattern over larger distances and with higher viral loads. So yeah...no bueno. But again, that's where the social distancing, smaller incubation periods, high percentage of mild cases and simple fucking hygiene are all massive allies.
Again - this strikes me as good news, not bad. [Reply]
The current case mortality rate is much, much higher than previously thought.
Look at recoveries + deaths = total cases. The current cases do not matter because they have not ran their course yet to become either recoveries or deaths.
Mortality rates outside of China have been higher with the exception of maybe South Korea. [Reply]
I emailed my principal and said that I would be willing to take back my classes if that would make things easier. Do all the work from home if this thing gets extended.
She basically said no. (felt like it was FU) I do not think she understood that I would end my leave. I will do that if it extends to the end of the year. [Reply]
Originally Posted by FAX:
I thought we were talking about Planeteers' concerns that they'll lose their home or their job or their business, Mr. Donger.
Those are the kinds of things to which I am referring ...
I am not advocating that we begin unloading clips on the virus. Especially if we're infected.
FAX
I was replying to this:
Let's think WWII ...
Citizens sacrificed time and material goods and comfort. Celebrities raised morale and hope. Women worked their asses off making airplanes and bombs and tires. Prices and wages were temporarily controlled. Fuel was rationed and driving was curtailed. Nursing became an attractive occupation. [Reply]
Originally Posted by BWillie:
I've been reading that alot of people feel like they have the cold, then they feel like they have the flu, then they feel a bit better and then wham. Pneumonia and death.
soooo many times in the ICU we and the patient feel we have beat their health crisis and everything is looking positive and then all of a sudden it turns bad real fast.
Patients family are relieved and they go home happy and come back in the am and their family member is fighting for their life, back on the vent. [Reply]