Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower:
$1,000 to everyone who qualifies (and what criteria is that beyond don't be a millionaire?) doesn't mean jack even in Kansas City if it costs $3,000 a month for a family of four to live. Sure it'll help everyone who got knocked off their feet for this month but then what about the next?
Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower:
Right but assume someone who's last paycheck came Friday and there isn't a next one. Are they hoping for their landlord or mortgage lender to just forget about collecting their due for April and beyond?
No I totally get what you're saying and agree with it. It's not a fix all. All I'm saying is for a lot of folks, something is better than nothing. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower:
Right but assume someone who's last paycheck came Friday and there isn't a next one. Are they hoping for their landlord or mortgage lender to just forget about collecting their due for April and beyond?
If shit hits the fan, the mortgage (and rent) can wait.
Because if your landlord contacts the sheriff to toss you out, the sheriff is gonna tell him to fuck off. Moreover, most courts are closed anyway so how's your landlord going to get the eviction order anyway?
And banks don't want to be in the business of real-estate. If you miss this month's mortgage, they AIN'T gonna foreclose. Not if 1/2 the country is defaulting. Hell, aren't most mortgages held by Fanny and Freddy these days anyway? The fed most assuredly isn't calling them due...
That's why some of these concerns are overblown - the real practical impact will be minimal. Worrying about "how are people gonna make their rent!!?!" is missing the mark. The real worry is "how are people gonna have jobs to go back to in 90 days?"
This plan is missing the problem completely. [Reply]
Indonesia’s president admitted over the weekend that he deliberately held back information about the spread of the coronavirus to prevent the public from panicking.
The revelation came as infections spiked to 117 and President Joko Widodo and his cabinet took precautionary Covid-19 tests after the transport minister was diagnosed with the disease.
“We did not deliver certain information to the public because we did not want to stir panic. We have worked hard to overcome this, since the novel coronavirus outbreak can happen regardless of the country border,” the president said, according to the Jakarta Post. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Bwana:
No I totally get what you're saying and agree with it. It's not a fix all. All I'm saying is for a lot of folks, something is better than nothing.
And I'm saying it doesn't make sense beyond keeping the hoi polloi quiet for the next day or so. Even the biggest moron will start doing the napkin math and then ask for another $1,000 lump sum ad infinitum which doesn't add up. [Reply]
Indonesia’s president admitted over the weekend that he deliberately held back information about the spread of the coronavirus to prevent the public from panicking.
The revelation came as infections spiked to 117 and President Joko Widodo and his cabinet took precautionary Covid-19 tests after the transport minister was diagnosed with the disease.
“We did not deliver certain information to the public because we did not want to stir panic. We have worked hard to overcome this, since the novel coronavirus outbreak can happen regardless of the country border,” the president said, according to the Jakarta Post.
If there were ever a time for global warming - this might be it. Can we artificially warm the United States to like 80 degrees with 100% humidity for a month or two and see if that helps? [Reply]
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
If shit hits the fan, the mortgage (and rent) can wait.
Because if your landlord contacts the sheriff to toss you out, the sheriff is gonna tell him to fuck off. Moreover, most courts are closed anyway so how's your landlord going to get the eviction order anyway?
And banks don't want to be in the business of real-estate. If you miss this month's mortgage, they AIN'T gonna foreclose. Not if 1/2 the country is defaulting. Hell, aren't most mortgages held by Fanny and Freddy these days anyway? The fed most assuredly isn't calling them due...
That's why some of these concerns are overblown - the real practical impact will be minimal. Worrying about "how are people gonna make their rent!!?!" is missing the mark. The real worry is "how are people gonna have jobs to go back to in 90 days?"
This plan is missing the problem completely.
Yes but what are the consequences of a non-eviction for unpaid rent or mortgage payment unless the Feds and states impose some sort of blanket moratorium on reporting on defaults or broken leases to credit bureaus and the like for anything done during the duration of this unlimited Virus Crisis?
And I'm with you on the 90 days. Consider a manager or business proprietor who might soon realize they can get by without the services of one or two of their currently furloughed employees in three months? And then factor in that the aforementioned manager isn't exactly alone in making that exact same staffing assessment.. [Reply]
The details of a study that found the novel coronavirus could remain on contaminated plastic and stainless steel surfaces for up to three days has been published in the New England Journal of Medicine as a correspondence to the editor.
The study — funded by the National Institutes of Health — was posted online last week.
For the study, researchers compared the "surface stability" of the novel coronavirus with that of the SARS-CoV-1 virus, which sparked the SARS epidemic that started in 2002.
The researchers found that the novel coronavirus could be detected on...
Copper for up to four hours
Cardboard for up to 24 hours
Plastic and stainless steel for up to 72 hours.
Also, the coronavirus could linger in aerosols — the suspension of tiny particles or droplets in the air — for up to three hours, according to the study. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Chief Roundup:
Sorry for your troubles. Best of luck going forward.
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I think it will affect us all to some point. As far as rents go Europe suspended payments without penalty for 3 months at least.
I'm sure we will get something similar. [Reply]
The government is asking the People to Social Distance, not send their kids to school and in some cases, close down a city and/or county, leaving only essential personnel on the streets.
That's a BIG Ask. But credit to the American people because they are complying with this request.
Now, there are tens of millions that will be impacted by the sudden shutdown of their job, from being laid-off to furloughed to dropped altogether. And while those people will most likely be eligible for Unemployment, an additional $1K-$2K per household will go a long way, not only in terms of meeting their financial requirements but also in participating in what the government is asking of its citizens.
Now, imagine all of those same people without an additional $1k-$2K in their pockets and see how long they're willing to comply. [Reply]