Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
I think I get worse anxiety sitting at home not knowing how long this is going to last more than I do being out an about in crowds at this point. [Reply]
Originally Posted by BigRedChief:
ive had calls from my Respiratory Therapist buddies back in KC to see if I still have an active license to operate ventilators(it’s expired). They were asking if it gets bad and the state allows exceptions, would I come back for the crisis to help out. Guess everyone is exploring really bad options if everything goes to shit.
Good. That's exactly what we should do. That's the 'surge capacity' I've been harping on.
You, as a trained respiratory technician (of some sort) and my wife as a person w/ over a decade in nursing and advanced degrees and a bunch of fun initials after her name are not considered as part of our capacity right now.
But man, you are. So is she. Rosie the Riveter didn't know shit about building liberty ships until commerce raiders started sinking 'em. Suddenly she learned real fast.
We'll do the same, but planning is critical. Planning. Not wild stabs in the dark before we get a real understanding of what will be needed and where, but being prepared. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower:
The payment Mnuchin floated today makes no sense to me beyond keeping people quiet for a 1-2 day stretch of time.
Glad I'm not the only one.
Like I said, it seems to be pure populism and 100% politically motivated. This does NOTHING to impact the underlying fundamentals and the overarching impacts of this thing on our economy. [Reply]
Originally Posted by loochy:
bad news is that often it has a 2 week incubation plus it takes a while after that for someone to get sick enough to go downhill and die
people don't just catch it and die the next day
at least we don't look like Italy yet - what in the effing eff is up with that place?
From new studies they are doing they believe the incubation is now 5 days or less. [Reply]
Originally Posted by loochy:
bad news is that often it has a 2 week incubation plus it takes a while after that for someone to get sick enough to go downhill and die
people don't just catch it and die the next day
at least we don't look like Italy yet - what in the effing eff is up with that place?
I read an article about it earlier where someone had a hypothesis about it - let me try and find it again.. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud:
I watched the entire press conference this morning.
The POTUS and Mnunchin both said that "Millionaires" won't receive checks and that there will be a cutoff but that most Americans will receive $1,000 dollars to spend at will.
Mnuchin didn't clarify but if going by his words, if each American worker is given $1,000 dollars, meaning that two income households receive $2,000 dollars, it should ease some of the unrest.
It's a bold move and from my recollection, the first of its kind, which again proves that not only is the country not prepared for a pandemic but that we're facing something completely unprecedented.
Let's just hope that we can learn from this situation because I highly doubt this will be the last time.
didnt they kick everyone a check a couple years ago for somethng? [Reply]
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
Yeah, at some point my econ minor from 15 years ago runs out of usable discussion w/r/t theory. But I can tell you right this very minute that if my bank, who has backed us through some ROUGH times, were to call me and say "Hey Nut, I've got a federally backed loan for $600K that we'll plow into a line of credit extension if you can be here today to sign it. Does that do anything to ease your mind?"
I wouldn't even hear anything after 'here' because I'd be running to my truck to get my ass downtown and sign the loan.
And I think there's a 50% shot I won't even need it, but if I don't I'll just pay it back in June/July. And I'll tell all my people "hey guys, we got this so everyone calm down and if you need to take a day or two away to re-set with your families, get it done..."
I cannot overstate how important that would be for me as a business owner and I think anyone sitting in a chair that looks anything like mine right now would scream LOUDLY in agreement with me.
This is beyond theory - this is me doing runway calculations and revenue projections for the next six weeks (knowing full well I'm pulling them from my ass) right this very second.
I'll sleep more soundly than I have in a couple of weeks if we can just get some damn backing for businesses that isn't "well mail money to your employees and give you a tax credit in 11 months..."
Because that does fuck-all for keeping my office's lights on.
yep, that would make me feel a lot better too. [Reply]
