Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
Originally Posted by Chief Pagan:
Well, I guess I didn't really explain well enough. It's not like most of them looked at data and came to a stupid conclusion.
Their 'sources' of information basically says that data or news story is fake. So I would say calling them deluded would be more accurate than calling most of them dumb.
Always exceptions, of course.
Maybe I'm being pedantic, but I don't think most people are intentionally doing stupid things to jeopardize their health. So I think it's worth keeping in mind what the real drivers are. Although that quickly becomes a DC topic. Which is why I kept my previous comment brief.
More like cult/sheep behavior. They just believe what they are told without question.
For the most part, people are not intellectually curious. A huge percentage just believe what their favorite news source tells them.
ETA: not just "right" wing types are antivaxx. Plenty of leftist are as well. Especially minorities who have seen bad things from gov experiments. Granted the vast majority haven't seen anything like that in their lifetimes. [Reply]
Researchers in Israel reported that a third dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech Covid vaccine can enhance protection in adults older than 60 for at least 12 days — a result that is unsurprising, experts said, and does not indicate long-term benefit. https://t.co/OKF8OSY1Cr
Researchers in Israel reported that a third dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech Covid vaccine can enhance protection in adults older than 60 for at least 12 days — a result that is unsurprising, experts said, and does not indicate long-term benefit. https://t.co/OKF8OSY1Cr
Antivaxxers' affection for Regeneron is fascinating. It's under an EUA, and is not FDA-approved. It's a new technology. Its clinical trials started just before the trials for the vaxxes, so we have no idea what the long-term effects of taking it are. And yet antivaxxers love it.
And during testing of MaB, Regeneron used the HEK293T cell line, which is derived from the kidney of an embryo aborted in 1973. Use of fetal tissue in testing is another reason antivaxxers say the vaxxes are unacceptable. But it's apparently no problem for Regeneron's treatment.
It really is weird phenomenon. Experimental treatments never seem to scare anyone, just vaccines that have been tested much more thoroughly. I guess when you're already sick it's a different story.
Literally nobody would suggest that antivaxxers are intellectually consistent. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Otter:
The us vs them attitude isn't helping anyone.
FFS just go about your life and stop with the fear porn.
I don't understand people anymore. Your health is the most important thing you have. Even people I disagree with or don't even like I hope have good health. I wouldn't wish sickness on anyone.
Eventually we will all be sick. We will all eventually lose this battle. Death is inevitable. The only point to life is to enjoy as much of it as you can before it's over.
I wouldn't want medical care denied to anyone. I would hope as long as it's a treatment you want you should be able to take it. If you want to be Tommy Morrison and eat flowers and rub rocks on yourself that's up to you. As long as you are given competent medical advice by your doctor and you know the consequences and implications - that's your call.
In fact the more often woo-woo's try oddball shit the more likely we are to learn something new. It's unethical to experiment on people but if you want to experiment with yourself? At least someone could learn from it... [Reply]
Originally Posted by Rausch:
I don't understand people anymore. Your health is the most important thing you have. Even people I disagree with or don't even like I hope have good health. I wouldn't wish sickness on anyone.
Eventually we will all be sick. We will all eventually lose this battle. Death is inevitable. The only point to life is to enjoy as much of it as you can before it's over.
I wouldn't want medical care denied to anyone. I would hope as long as it's a treatment you want you should be able to take it. If you want to be Tommy Morrison and eat flowers and rub rocks on yourself that's up to you. As long as you are given competent medical advice by your doctor and you know the consequences and implications - that's your call.
In fact the more often woo-woo's try oddball shit the more likely we are to learn something new. It's unethical to experiment on people but if you want to experiment with yourself? At least someone could learn from it...
It's just like so many other things in all of this.
If my neighbor wants to be an idiot and hoard toilet paper, be an idiot and hoard toilet paper... well, until people are driving all around town just to find one roll.
If my neighbor doesn't want to get vaccinated, I don't really care... well, until I would have to drive to another hospital for care and have to wear a mask while traveling 18 months after all of this started and concerts are still being canceled, etc, etc.
If my neighbor wants to take an anti-parasitic because he caught a virus, lulz you do you.... well, until there's a shortage of the medication for its intended use. [Reply]
My ex who is a nurse posted on Facebook today her and her husband had to be admitted last night to St. Lukes. Quit her job because she didn't want to get vaccinated now is close to being on a vent with 82% oxygen level. Some people never learn.
Originally Posted by dirk digler:
My ex who is a nurse posted on Facebook today her and her husband had to be admitted last night to St. Lukes. Quit her job because she didn't want to get vaccinated now is close to being on a vent with 82% oxygen level. Some people never learn.
Can't fix or help stupid.
Do you think wagging you're finger in someone's face and playing holier than thou is going to fix the situation.
Originally Posted by dirk digler:
My ex who is a nurse posted on Facebook today her and her husband had to be admitted last night to St. Lukes. Quit her job because she didn't want to get vaccinated now is close to being on a vent with 82% oxygen level. Some people never learn.
Can't fix or help stupid.
All health is case specific. We just had a thread on here by someone who was allergic to types of meat. MEAT.
You don't force that single person to eat meat because it's super healthy for everyone else. In that specific case you need specific care. What is great for 99% of people is not correct 100% of the time.
We all know this.
We all also need to realize this means small percentages. 50% of people don't have a condition 1% of people get. No, they don't. People need to realize that while a small percentage could have serious side effects that is a small percentage. Know if you have one of those health conditions. Don't act contrarian just for the sake of it. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Rausch:
All health is case specific. We just had a thread on here by someone who was allergic to types of meat. MEAT.
You don't force that single person to eat meat because it's super healthy for everyone else. In that specific case you need specific care. What is great for 99% of people is not correct 100% of the time.
We all know this.
We all also need to realize this means small percentages. 50% of people don't have a condition 1% of people get. No, they don't. People need to realize that while a small percentage could have serious side effects that is a small percentage. Know if you have one of those health conditions. Don't act contrarian just for the sake of it.
Alpha-gal syndrome is literally a 1% problem... 1-3% to be exact.
Serious issues from the vaccines including the 7000 deaths out of 380 million shots are a 0.0002% problem, or one in 38,000.
It would be like saying someone who was in a serious car accident should now be equally afraid of flying on commercial airlines (and of course, there are idiots who are more afraid of flying than driving long stretches of highway at 70mph). [Reply]
