Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
Originally Posted by jdubya:
You ever hear of a uniform allowance?
I've heard of them. All of the offices I ever worked in had a dress code and I never got a uniform allowance. I guess I needed a better labor union. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Chief Pagan:
I've heard of them. All of the offices I ever worked in had a dress code and I never got a uniform allowance. I guess I needed a better labor union.
My response was because of his very weak attempt against my argument of the company paying for the vaccine requirement. He mentioned dress codes and I responded in kind. Didn't you tell me McDonalds provided you with uniforms? Certainly you didn't have to buy those did you?
If you are a business owner and wanted to require testing, wouldn't your incentive be that you will pay for it? Or get tested on company time and be paid for your time? If you don't believe that you must be a paper boy somewhere and honestly out of touch [Reply]
Originally Posted by :
People who were not fully vaccinated this spring and summer were over 10 times more likely to be hospitalized, and 11 times more likely to die of covid-19 than those who were fully vaccinated, according to one of three major studies published Friday by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention that highlight the continued efficacy of all three vaccines amid the spread of the highly contagious delta variant.
A second study showed the Moderna coronavirus vaccine was moderately more effective in preventing hospitalizations than its counterparts from Pfizer-BioNTech and Johnson & Johnson. That assessment was based on the largest U.S. study to date of the real-world effectiveness of all three vaccines, involving about 32,000 patients seen in hospitals, emergency departments and urgent care clinics across nine states from June through early August.
While the three vaccines were collectively 86 percent effective in preventing hospitalization, protection was significantly higher among Moderna vaccine recipients (95 percent) than among those who got Pfizer-BioNTech (80 percent) or Johnson & Johnson (60 percent). That finding echoes a smaller study by the Mayo Clinic Health System in August, not yet peer reviewed, which also showed the Moderna vaccine with higher effectiveness than Pfizer-BioNTech at preventing infections during the delta wave.
Lots of interesting details in this article [Reply]
Originally Posted by DaFace:
Nothing at the state level. Local counties can add their own mandates, but as far as I know no one has done so except Boulder County. And obviously individual businesses can do whatever they want.
In short, I'd carry a mask in yourpocket, and you'll see people wearing them here and there, but I'd be surprised if you go anywhere that requires it.
Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla:
That's fascinating. Makes me think I should consider moderna, if/when a booster is recommended.
Have you seen anything on crossing the streams on getting a different shot than earlier ones? I was thinking the same thing earlier today about getting Moderna if boosters ever actually become necessary for anyone under 60. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Bugeater:
Sweet, so no mask mandates out there? We're on our way out the door for Estes Park as soon as I submit this post. Hopefully we don't get chased out by wildfires again.
As a resident of the great state of Colorado, welcome. We do not have a state mask mandate, although some cities and businesses are asking people to mask.
I've never been to "Estes Park," so I can't help there. But, I do know where the least expensive gasoline is available. Let me know if that would help in any way. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Nirvana58:
Biden plans to sign an executive order requiring all government employees be vaccinated against Covid-19, with no option of being regularly tested to opt out. The President will also sign an order directing the same standard be applied to employees of contractors who do business with the federal government
Originally Posted by NotDonger:
As a resident of the great state of Colorado, welcome. We do not have a state mask mandate, although some cities and businesses are asking people to mask.
I've never been to "Estes Park," so I can't help there. But, I do know where the least expensive gasoline is available. Let me know if that would help in any way.
Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla:
There is, literally, no such thing as "all the facts" and even you understand that. They are going to side with the preponderance of evidence, as they should.
That is the entire point. There is not a preponderance of evidence showing that people who had prior infection of covid need to be vaccinated.
Here is a link for Fauci when asked on the subject.
I know the video cuts off. I would love to have his full answer if someone can find the whole video. I have not had much luck but his reaction is very interesting. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Ninerfan11:
ridiculously dark stuff.
I've signed a lot of government contracts, and I've variously been required to use recycled paper, not hire illegal immigrants, not do business with Yemen and Syria, and a boatload of other things. I generally don't mind these things because they're common sense and they might eliminate some weirdo competitors. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Katipan:
Not true but we don't care if you wear one.
Well the ones in Longmont and Lyons all seemed to. But I'm not complaining.
Originally Posted by NotDonger:
As a resident of the great state of Colorado, welcome. We do not have a state mask mandate, although some cities and businesses are asking people to mask.
I've never been to "Estes Park," so I can't help there. But, I do know where the least expensive gasoline is available. Let me know if that would help in any way.
Thank you. Check out Estes sometime, it's a slice of heaven. [Reply]
