Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
Originally Posted by loochy:
Actually, perhaps. Circumin, the main compound in turmeric (which is found in large amounts in curry) is a powerful anti-inflammatory that carries a wide range of additional health benefits.
Just read that anti-inflammatories make Wuhan worse. [Reply]
Originally Posted by loochy:
That makes more sense.
French people ignored officials' warnings to isolate themselves because of the coronavirus. Now they need a form to leave the house.
France's ramped-up coronavirus measures now require people to produce a document that justifies why they're outside — even just to go a walk or to the shop — after people ignored the government's pleas to stay at home.
French President Emmanuel Macron on Monday announced a 15-day lockdown starting at midday on Tuesday, saying people's journeys outside would be "greatly reduced."
He said people should leave their homes only if it is necessary — for example, to go to work, to get medical care, to buy groceries in authorized shops, or to exercise alone.
But in order to do any of those things, people in France must download and fill out a form for every trip they want to make. The police can check the forms and issue fines of €38 to €135 ($40 to $150) to people who don't have one.
Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY:
When it's all said and done you will probably not know anyone who dies from it but you will know a lot of people who's lives will be destroyed because of the economic fallout from shutting down an economy.
Agreed.
And the deaths and health consequences from the economic collapse caused by the COVID-19 hysteria/panic will potentially be greater than the deaths from the actual virus.
Originally Posted by notorious:
Fuck the French. Freedom my balls.
The French government had just better hope that Muslim insurgents don't have any successful attacks because the casualties, with people indoors and with no access to weaponry, would be enormous. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud:
The French government had just better hope that Muslim insurgents don't have any successful attacks because the death rate, with people indoors and with no access to weaponry, would be enormous.
Shhhh. I was talking to my wife the other day about this in the US. If someone hit us with an attack now it will get bad quickly. [Reply]
Originally Posted by loochy:
...but it's not a conspiracy - it just happened there.
Eh, not really.
Again - states are all imbued with a police power and can take measures (and enforce them) in support of the public health. If Kansas passes laws demanding that you stay inside and enforces those with criminal consequences, you've not had any rights taken away. Ultimately Kansas already HAS those rights.
But if the United States government does it, that's a far different animal. Like I said, I don't see a path to that without suspending the Constitution, suspending Posse Comitatus and imposing martial law.
I simply don't think this government is that stupid, if for no other reason than the states/cities seem inclined to do this on their own at this point. [Reply]
Originally Posted by notorious:
Shhhh. I was talking to my wife the other day about this in the US. If someone hit us with an attack now it will get bad quickly.
I tend to disagree because I'm sure that the military, Feds and police are on high alert, even if they haven't made that public.
Plus, people are loading up on guns and ammo all over the country. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Mecca:
French people ignored officials' warnings to isolate themselves because of the coronavirus. Now they need a form to leave the house.
France's ramped-up coronavirus measures now require people to produce a document that justifies why they're outside — even just to go a walk or to the shop — after people ignored the government's pleas to stay at home.
French President Emmanuel Macron on Monday announced a 15-day lockdown starting at midday on Tuesday, saying people's journeys outside would be "greatly reduced."
He said people should leave their homes only if it is necessary — for example, to go to work, to get medical care, to buy groceries in authorized shops, or to exercise alone.
But in order to do any of those things, people in France must download and fill out a form for every trip they want to make. The police can check the forms and issue fines of €38 to €135 ($40 to $150) to people who don't have one.
Yeah this is why I'm locked and loaded. Not because I would purposefully disobey a rule like that. It has more to do with those who wish to challenge it.
I still believe that in the end this will end up being sub 1%, and that might as well do what we are told now.
But I built brand new AR this last weekend and bought 500 more 5.56 just in case. [Reply]
