Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
Originally Posted by Rain Man:
I don't understand where you're disagreeing with what I'm saying.
If I was a public health official, I'd be pushing information where it can do the most good.
I'd push treatment information into the hands of medical providers because that's where they're going to do the most good.
I'd push prevention information into the hands of the public because that's where they're going to do the most good.
Do you agree with that? If so, you don't need treatment information to be pushed in the general public. That information is going out through industry sources and health care employers. In fact, if I'm being really strategic (and maybe a little cunning) I don't want the public to know about treatment protocols because if they're comfortable getting treated, it could distract them from their more productive path toward prevention.
As an analogy, if you developed a great treatment protocol for diabetes, that's great. But the better thing is still to keep people from getting diabetes in the first place, so you still want the prevailing message to the public to be about eating right and exercising. You don't really want the message to be, "Yeah, it's not a big deal if you get diabetes because we've now figured out how to make it not kill you."
There are much better means of prevention with longterm documented safety records.
There was a study done in Argentina in Dec involving 1200 frontline healthcare workers. 800 were given Ivermectin and 400 were not. Out of the 800 who took Ivermectin, 0 got Covid. Out of those who did not take it, 58% got Covid.
India and Peru implemented Ivermectin in various places and saw deaths drop 79% after 45 days. The areas in which it was implemented saw an immediate drop in cases and deaths. Same thing in Mexico.
Unfortunately, Ivermectin is a cheap, off-patent drug that isn't profitable. Even Merck, the company who created it, is working to destroy its reputation because they're developing two new and expensive Covid drugs.
Everyone continues to look the other way at all the red flags involved with mRNA vaccines, while extremely safe/effective but unprofitable treatments are suppressed by Pharma and gov't agencies.
You keep hearing that mRNA technology isn't new and it’s been around for 30 years, which is true. But it never made it past animal trials. When the animals were vaccinated, they had a period of immunity, but when they were re-exposed to the virus, they all died. This was attributed to antibody dependent enhancement, which causes a dangerous over-response by the immune system.
The inventor of mRNA technology, Dr Malone, believes that antibody dependent enhancement is happening now. He's been continually sounding the alarms that the spike proteins are dangerous.
You guys had better pray that he, and a growing list of scientists and doctors, are wrong. [Reply]
Vaccines still very effective against severe disease and hospitalization. But some concern that this effectiveness could wane in the coming months. Thus - booster shots. [Reply]
Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar:
There are much better means of prevention with longterm documented safety records.
There was a study done in Argentina in Dec involving 1200 frontline healthcare workers. 800 were given Ivermectin and 400 were not. Out of the 800 who took Ivermectin, 0 got Covid. Out of those who did not take it, 58% got Covid.
India and Peru implemented Ivermectin in various places and saw deaths drop 79% after 45 days. The areas in which it was implemented saw an immediate drop in cases and deaths. Same thing in Mexico.
Unfortunately, Ivermectin is a cheap, off-patent drug that isn't profitable. Even Merck, the company who created it, is working to destroy its reputation because they're developing two new and expensive Covid drugs.
Everyone continues to look the other way at all the red flags involved with mRNA vaccines, while extremely safe/effective but unprofitable treatments are suppressed by Pharma and gov't agencies.
You keep hearing that mRNA technology isn't new and it’s been around for 30 years, which is true. But it never made it past animal trials. When the animals were vaccinated, they had a period of immunity, but when they were re-exposed to the virus, they all died. This was attributed to antibody dependent enhancement, which causes a dangerous over-response by the immune system.
The inventor of mRNA technology, Dr Malone, believes that antibody dependent enhancement is happening now. He's been continually sounding the alarms that the spike proteins are dangerous.
You guys had better pray that he, and a growing list of scientists and doctors, are wrong.
Originally Posted by TLO:
THERE'S NO EVIDENCE OF ANTIBODY DEPENDENCE ENHANCEMENT YOU DIPSHIT
There's definitely evidence of it in past studies. All the attempts to develop vaccines to the original SARS virus repeatedly failed due to ADE. Including this one from 2012: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22536382/
The possibility of ADE wasn't adequately addressed in clinical trials for any of the COVID-19 vaccines.
Is this how you make all your decisions? Take the plunge and then wait for MSM to feed you proof of every potential danger later? Pretty sound strategy. [Reply]
