More trade news: The #Chiefs are deep in talks with the #49ers on a trade for star pass-rusher Dee Ford, sources say. Things have escalated and this could get done by the end of the night. Ford needs to work out a new contract with SF, which is a big piece of this.
Originally Posted by -King-:
A player that lead the league in pressures and forced fumbles and had 14 sacks is now being called a situational pass rusher.
I get wanting to trade him, but you don't have to lie to yourself to justify it.
What else would you call a DE/OLB who is a liability against the run and in pass defense? [Reply]
Originally Posted by DRM08:
I guess the main thing is they aren't paying Ford $17m per year for the next 5 years. That is a win for the KC front office. Second rounder next year is a lot better than nothing.
A 2 is a 2. This isn't a fucking rebuilding year where they were gonna start 5+ rookies because fuck it :-) [Reply]
Originally Posted by duncan_idaho: Situational pass rusher who doesn't fit in this scheme is not more important than a versatile, every down safety who fits perfectly into the scheme the defensive coordinator likes to run.
Especially at half the commitment in years and total dollars. Ford got paid like an elite pass rusher who isn't a total liability in other phases of the game.
But he IS a total liability in other phases of the game. Yes, he's a really good speed rusher. But he doesn't have the size or strength to hold up against the run at the point of attack. He's easily exploitable. You can knock him off his edge with a slot WR.
A smart, disciplined team can handle him. That's not the type of guy you back the truck up for.
LOL... Just because you keep saying Ford is a situational pass rusher doesn't make it true.
Mathieu is not complete safety... he is a liability in pass pro, and this goes all the way back to his college days.
Also, in terms of value, keep in mind that not one safety was franchised, that's why there is an abundance of them in free agency. But EDGE and pass rushers were tagged for the most part. [Reply]
Originally Posted by -King-:
He had 3 sacks and 2 forced fumbles against denver last year. Does that count as taking over a game?
These guys are downright delusional. Ford was off-sides for one play, and they act like he doesn't have the quickest first step in the game... lol [Reply]
Originally Posted by Rain Man:
Now, granted, the Chiefs haven't been a great team at drafting second-round picks, so let's look at a leaguewide average. If we take the year that Dee was drafted, here are all of the second-round picks that year, with my rough ranking of value.
Guys with more value than Ford:
Jarvis Landry, WR, MIA
Derek Carr, QB, OAK
Davante Adams, WR, GNB
Justin Britt, T, SEA
Guys with roughly equal value to Ford
Demarcus Lawrence, DE, DAL
Joel Bitonio, G, CLE
Jordan Matthews, WR, PHI
Jeremy Hill, RB, CIN
Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, NWE
Allen Robinson, WR, JAX
Stephon Tuitt, DE, PIT
Guys with somewhat less value than Ford:
Xavier Su'a-Filo, G, HOU
Kyle Van Noy, LB, DET
Weston Richburg, OL, NYG
Trent Murphy, LB, WAS
Timmy Jernigan, DT, BAL
Jack Mewhort, T, IND
Carlos Hyde, RB, SFO
Guys with far less value than Ford:
Ra'Shede Hageman, DT, ATL
Austin Seferian-Jenkins, TE, TAM
Marqise Lee, WR, JAX
Lamarcus Joyner, DB, STL
Cyrus Kouandjio, T, BUF
Paul Richardson, WR, SEA
Jace Amaro, TE, NYJ
Jeremiah Attaochu, LB, SDG
Ego Ferguson, DT, CHI
Troy Niklas, TE, ARI
Bishop Sankey, RB, TEN
Kony Ealy, DE, CAR
Stanley Jean-Baptiste, DB, NOR
Cody Latimer, WR, DEN
So the 50/50 shot is that we'll draft a player like Timmy Jernigan or Weston Richburg with our new 2nd round pick. There's a 12.5 percent chance that we'll come out a winner and get someone better than Ford (in my opinion).
So Justin Britt is good?? Sweet I drafted him super late in the sandbox league!! Lol [Reply]
Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Hate:
One of those players was highly exceptional. The other player was exceptionally f****** stupid.
I want you to walk to the kitchen, grab a rolling pin, and straight f*** yourself in the ass with it for bringing such a stupid f****** comment to my table.
You're an idiot... You don't think Ford wasn't game planned against in the EXACT SAME WAY that teams game planned against DT?
Originally Posted by Chief_N_Bama:
LOL... Just because you keep saying Ford is a situational pass rusher doesn't make it true.
Mathieu is not complete safety... he is a liability in pass pro, and this goes all the way back to his college days.
Also, in terms of value, keep in mind that not one safety was franchised, that's why there is an abundance of them in free agency. But EDGE and pass rushers were tagged for the most part.
Just because you keep saying he isn't doesn't make it true, either.
In the type of defense Spagnuolo has run in the past and is likely to run now, Ford is a DE. Committing big money and years to Ford would be committing to ALWAYS having to compensate for his weakness against the run. His skill set is best used in pass rush situations in the type of defense Spagnuolo has run in the past. Thus... situational pass rusher.
Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Hate:
thanks for the vote of confidence friend, but I wasn't in the video with Shane and clay. The guy with the beard ain't me.
Oh, I thought I was talking to Clay. I guess I just read the post and assumed...
Originally Posted by Chief_N_Bama:
LOL... Just because you keep saying Ford is a situational pass rusher doesn't make it true.
Mathieu is not complete safety... he is a liability in pass pro, and this goes all the way back to his college days.
Also, in terms of value, keep in mind that not one safety was franchised, that's why there is an abundance of them in free agency. But EDGE and pass rushers were tagged for the most part.
Except we changed up defensive schemes. In a 4-3 he will be a DE which might hurt him while in a 3-4 he was an OLB. If he was a paragon of health he might be worth the money but he is a HUGE injury risk and not worth what SF paid him. [Reply]
