Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
Originally Posted by Marcellus:
I'm old enough to remember when Germany's response was the gold standard around this thread.
Some thought Sweden was , some thought this was all a hoax as well, some thought NZ and AUS 's response was too extreme, some thought the new technology of the Pfizer and Moderna's vaccine were too risky to take and wanted to wait for the AstraZeneca and J&J old tech versions.
A world shortage of newly developed vaccines during a pandemic wasn't unexpected. [Reply]
CDC identifies only 5,800 Covid-19 infections after the final vaccine, out of more than 66 million. And those who got it had mild cases. https://t.co/gvBu6s1mlQ
CDC identifies only 5,800 Covid-19 infections after the final vaccine, out of more than 66 million. And those who got it had mild cases. https://t.co/gvBu6s1mlQ
1) breakthrough cases are extremely rare (.008%) in those that are fully vaccinated and those that do get covid after vaccination experience very mild and manageable infections
but it also states:
2) It's a reminder that even vaccinated people are at risk and should continue to take precautions such as masking and social distancing in many circumstances.
If cases are that rare in those that are vaccinated and breakthrough cases are generally mild, why do vaccinated people need to continue to take those precautions? [Reply]
Originally Posted by louie aguiar:
The article seems to be saying two things:
1) breakthrough cases are extremely rare (.008%) in those that are fully vaccinated and those that do get covid after vaccination experience very mild and manageable infections
but it also states:
2) It's a reminder that even vaccinated people are at risk and should continue to take precautions such as masking and social distancing in many circumstances.
If cases are that rare in those that are vaccinated and breakthrough cases are generally mild, why do vaccinated people need to continue to take those precautions?
Who the hell knows. Messaging has been awful [Reply]
Originally Posted by louie aguiar:
The article seems to be saying two things:
1) breakthrough cases are extremely rare (.008%) in those that are fully vaccinated and those that do get covid after vaccination experience very mild and manageable infections
but it also states:
2) It's a reminder that even vaccinated people are at risk and should continue to take precautions such as masking and social distancing in many circumstances.
If cases are that rare in those that are vaccinated and breakthrough cases are generally mild, why do vaccinated people need to continue to take those precautions?
Only conspiracy theorists ask questions. You aren't a conspiracy theorist, are you? [Reply]
I haven't been in this thread much of late or around in general after that shitty SB loss but I am curious what everyone's employer doing in regards to working from home\hybrid or not. My employer is trying to get a large part of our employees at least in a hybrid model starting in May. [Reply]
Originally Posted by louie aguiar:
The article seems to be saying two things:
1) breakthrough cases are extremely rare (.008%) in those that are fully vaccinated and those that do get covid after vaccination experience very mild and manageable infections
but it also states:
2) It's a reminder that even vaccinated people are at risk and should continue to take precautions such as masking and social distancing in many circumstances.
If cases are that rare in those that are vaccinated and breakthrough cases are generally mild, why do vaccinated people need to continue to take those precautions?
Poor messaging + extreme caution.
The 2nd statement is now 3-4 months old, made when they of course didn't have the information backed by 66 million fully vaccinated people.
Why they would still be communicating that is beyond me. Perhaps the message behind the message is "don't be a dick and go off the rails about being vaccinated if there's still a mandate in your area"... instead of the drama that would come with that, they want to still communicate one message (wear a mask, stay away from people).... and then once we hit a threshold of vaccinated people, it would be a new single message lifting mandates and what not.
Just a wild guess though... they also shut down a vaccine because of a one in a million chance, so there's that. :-) [Reply]
Originally Posted by louie aguiar:
The article seems to be saying two things:
1) breakthrough cases are extremely rare (.008%) in those that are fully vaccinated and those that do get covid after vaccination experience very mild and manageable infections
but it also states:
2) It's a reminder that even vaccinated people are at risk and should continue to take precautions such as masking and social distancing in many circumstances.
If cases are that rare in those that are vaccinated and breakthrough cases are generally mild, why do vaccinated people need to continue to take those precautions?
I wonder if the second part is really about this interim period where we still have a lot of unvaccinated people running around. I would agree with your take that if breakthrough infection is that rare, it's merely become part of our daily background risk. [Reply]
Originally Posted by dirk digler:
I haven't been in this thread much of late or around in general after that shitty SB loss but I am curious what everyone's employer doing in regards to working from home\hybrid or not. My employer is trying to get a large part of our employees at least in a hybrid model starting in May.
We've been back in the office full time since November. [Reply]
Originally Posted by TLO:
I'm not. My productivity in office is at least 3x that of working from home.
I am working longer hours at home some since I feel like home is the office. Still I don’t want to go back to the office I would miss waking up and just throwing on whatever and working :-). Plus this is the first year I haven’t been sick in a decade. [Reply]
Originally Posted by TLO:
What's with the slow vaccine roll out in all these places?
The US threw money at the problem and the EU tried to negotiate careful contracts that wouldn't leave them on the hook if the vaccines didn't work.
One of the rare occasions that crony capitalism paid off handsomely but a pandemic that's costing trillions isn't the occasion to pinch pennies. [Reply]
