Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy:
No, he doesn't. He isn't head and shoulders above the class the way GSP and Silva are their class. I actually think JDS has a better shot of realling off 3-4 title defenses then Cain does.
me too, I dunno with what. He couldn't put away Roy Nelson. Not that I don't think that JDS isn't a great fighter, I do. But I don't think he's as polished as Cain, and all you have to ask yourself is this. Would Cain have put Roy Nelson away? Yeah I think we know the answer to that. [Reply]
Originally Posted by TheGuardian:
me too, I dunno with what. He couldn't put away Roy Nelson. Not that I don't think that JDS isn't a great fighter, I do. But I don't think he's as polished as Cain, and all you have to ask yourself is this. Would Cain have put Roy Nelson away? Yeah I think we know the answer to that.
Cain has more drive to be great than any fighter in the HW division of the UFC, his statements about needing to improve after totally manhandling the self proclaimed baddest SOB on the planet are evidence of that. I don't see a UFC heavy that I think can beat him right now. [Reply]
Originally Posted by raybec 4:
Cain has more drive to be great than any fighter in the HW division of the UFC, his statements about needing to improve after totally manhandling the self proclaimed baddest SOB on the planet are evidence of that. I don't see a UFC heavy that I think can beat him right now.
Carwin could if he connects, but if it gets out of round 1 I don't think he can.
I read yesterday that it should be obvious now that 235-240 pounds is the ideal weight for a top heavyweight. There is no such thing as a 265 pound guy with cardio, mainly because even if they are lean it takes too much oxygen to keep fueling that kind of muscle mass. That seems to be very true as Brock was already gassing when the round was ending. [Reply]
Originally Posted by TheGuardian:
me too, I dunno with what. He couldn't put away Roy Nelson. Not that I don't think that JDS isn't a great fighter, I do. But I don't think he's as polished as Cain, and all you have to ask yourself is this. Would Cain have put Roy Nelson away? Yeah I think we know the answer to that.
Like he put away Kongo? He also knocked the crapout of Rothwell for awhile and couldn't put him to sleep. Nelson is as good if not better then those two, especially Rothwell. This isn't Carwin where nobody escapes the first round. I think JDS is a bad matchup for Cain. He is quicker, better on his feet, and extremley difficult to take down. It will be a straight striking match IMO, and I like JDS in that type of fight. I think this fight goes the full 5 with JDS taking it on the score cards. [Reply]
Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy:
Like he put away Kongo? He also knocked the crapout of Rothwell for awhile and couldn't put him to sleep. Nelson is as good if not better then those two, especially Rothwell. This isn't Carwin where nobody escapes the first round. I think JDS is a bad matchup for Cain. He is quicker, better on his feet, and extremley difficult to take down. It will be a straight striking match IMO, and I like JDS in that type of fight.
It's a real stretch to say Junior is quicker, and Cain has not had any problems taking anyone down yet, I'm sure he could get it there if he wanted it there. [Reply]
Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy:
Like he put away Kongo? He also knocked the crapout of Rothwell for awhile and couldn't put him to sleep. Nelson is as good if not better then those two, especially Rothwell. This isn't Carwin where nobody escapes the first round. I think JDS is a bad matchup for Cain. He is quicker, better on his feet, and extremley difficult to take down. It will be a straight striking match IMO, and I like JDS in that type of fight.
I think it's safe to say that Cain has gotten better since those fights.
It will be a great fight either way regardless. I think both guys are top notch. [Reply]
Originally Posted by raybec 4:
It's a real stretch to say Junior is quicker, and Cain has not had any problems taking anyone down yet, I'm sure he could get it there if he wanted it there.
True, but who has he fought that is as quick and has as good of take down defense as JDS? He has just fought big maulers for the most part. Nog while not really a mauler is not a great striker either. [Reply]
Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy:
True, but who has he fought that is as quick and has as good of take down defense as JDS? He has just fought big maulers for the most part. Nog while not really a mauler is not a great striker either.
I guess we will find out when they get it on, I am looking forward to it. [Reply]
