Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
Originally Posted by DaFace:
...if we don't get immunity up high enough to eliminate it.
Serious question here. How long are we just delaying the inevitable decline caused by overpopulation and or another massive war or event that causes a massive human life loss on Earth?
We are long overdue for a near extinction event. :-) [Reply]
So something I've been pondering in regards to COVID-19 (C19) and Spanish Flu (SF) is what would happen if these 2 viruses were to switch years. Instead of SF hitting in 1918 it hits in 2019 and C19 hits in 1918.
How deadly would SF be today as opposed to Covid? In 1918 they basically had nothing to fight the flu or anything that came from it. How much more deadly would C19 have been in 1918. I think C19 would have easily killed and effected more people. [Reply]
Originally Posted by petegz28:
That's your opinion. You don't get to tell other people how to think about something. Get vaccinated and you don't have to worry about it. See how that works?
Me eating a cheeseburger and giving myself heart disease is similar to me spreading a disease to someone else?
Originally Posted by dlphg9:
So something I've been pondering in regards to COVID-19 (C19) and Spanish Flu (SF) is what would happen if these 2 viruses were to switch years. Instead of SF hitting in 1918 it hits in 2019 and C19 hits in 1918.
How deadly would SF be today as opposed to Covid? In 1918 they basically had nothing to fight the flu or anything that came from it. How much more deadly would C19 have been in 1918. I think C19 would have easily killed and effected more people.
Interesting
A lot of factors would go into that I’d think. I’m on my phone, I’ll mark it and come back when I am in front of a computer [Reply]
Originally Posted by O.city:
Me eating a cheeseburger and giving myself heart disease is similar to me spreading a disease to someone else?
Interesting
Financial disease if you want to look at it that way. You are increasing health care costs for everyone else but I digress....
Get the vaccine and you don't have to worry about getting infected.
See, this isn't about you getting infected. This is about wanting everyone else to do what you think they should do when in reality if you get the vaccine what they decide is of no consequence to you. [Reply]
Originally Posted by O.city:
Personal choices are a bit different than an infectious disease
But what you might be missing is you are appealing to altruism for the sake of society to deal with infectious disease to people acutely aware that the society they're being altruistic towards will exert personal choices to fuck them right back without thinking twice about it. [Reply]
Originally Posted by petegz28:
Financial disease if you want to look at it that way. You are increasing health care costs for everyone else but I digress....
Get the vaccine and you don't have to worry about getting infected.
See, this isn't about you getting infected. This is about wanting everyone else to do what you think they should do when in reality if you get the vaccine what they decide is of no consequence to you.
Increases in vaccine uptake will limit strain on hospitals and health care, which helps everyone who needs it for other reasons.
It’s not all about infected or not. There are so many downstream things that can come from this. [Reply]
Originally Posted by petegz28:
Covid is not going away. Did the measles go away? And when you say people should do what they are "supposed to do" who crowned you King to decide what others are "supposed to do"?
I think what you mean to say is people should do what you think they should do.
I will say this again. Get the vaccine if you want and leave others the fuck alone. If you choose not to get the vaccine that's on you. This is the mentality many political arguments are rooted in, people telling others what they must do. You take care of you. Once the vaccine is available then you don't need to worry about someone else.
If I didn't already have Covid I would get the vaccine and that's my choice. But it's not my place to tell everyone else what they have to do. Just like I don't tell you that you can't drink or smoke or anything like that.
The measles was pretty much eradicated from the US until antivaxxers started their shit.
Originally Posted by petegz28:
Really? Then why is the common cold, which is a corona virus, still alive and very contagious?
This isn't serious is it? Who would pour billions into finding a vaccine for the common cold? Are you really asking this? [Reply]
Originally Posted by Baby Lee:
But what you might be missing is you are appealing to altruism for the sake of society to deal with infectious disease to people acutely aware that the society they're being altruistic towards will exert personal choices to **** them right back without thinking twice about it.
That’s interesting. Also true in some cases.
I’d like to hope everyone isn’t that dejected by society and it’s issues. [Reply]
Originally Posted by O.city:
Increases in vaccine uptake will limit strain on hospitals and health care, which helps everyone who needs it for other reasons.
It’s not all about infected or not. There are so many downstream things that can come from this.
Dude, you keep getting off on these tangents that frankly are irrelevant. People eating healthier and exercising would limit strain on our entire medical system.
You don't get to tell someone else they have to do something just because you think it's right. I don't disagree with where you are coming from but we are a free country. All I can do is take care of me. What you do is your business. And yes, that means you getting fat and stroking out from too many double baco-cheeses increases my health care costs.
So this "you have to do it for the good of everyone else" is noble and sounds good but in the end it's bullshit.
Get the vaccine or don't. Live with the consequences of your decisions. [Reply]
Originally Posted by O.city:
That’s interesting. Also true in some cases.
I’d like to hope everyone isn’t that dejected by society and it’s issues.
A lot of good people are in no hurry to go take a vaccine that was made inside of a year. Including a lot of medical people. They don't trust it. Doesn't matter what you and I think or whether it is safe or isn't. They are making the choice they think is best and safest for them. [Reply]
