Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
BREAKING: 5 Bay Area counties will join San Francisco in putting their regions on lockdown, which will cover 6.7 million people, according to the San Francisco Chronicle
Ok, found it: The directive begins at 12:01 a.m. Tuesday and involves San Francisco, Santa Clara, San Mateo, Marin, Contra Costa and Alameda counties — a combined population of more than 6.7 million. It is to stay in place until at least April 7.
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
I'm going to do a stupid thing and weigh in here after a prolonged absence. I think FAX is probably onto something in that people are pretty firmly entrenched in wherever they stand on this so anything I have to say is probably just going to inflame passions either way. Oh well.
I suspect this will do nothing but convince everyone that I'm an idiot, but such is life.
I think what you are suggesting was what the UK was going to do but I think they just reversed course.
Also there has been confirmed cases where a person had it, got better, and then later got re-infected.
There has been some really promising info the last day or so about vaccine's\cure's for this and some are starting human testing very soon. If get it I want the malaria (chloroquine)\HIV cocktail. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud:
Universal is jumping into the Premium SVOD, with the Trolls sequel being released in April via Amazon, VUDU and Movies Anywhere for rental or purchase on the same day as the wide release:
NBCUniversal CEO Jeff Shell said in a statement: “Universal Pictures has a broad and diverse range of movies with 2020 being no exception. Rather than delaying these films or releasing them into a challenged distribution landscape, we wanted to provide an option for people to view these titles in the home that is both accessible and affordable. We hope and believe that people will still go to the movies in theaters where available, but we understand that for people in different areas of the world that is increasingly becoming less possible.”
wonder if disney will do the same with onward. [Reply]
Originally Posted by suzzer99:
This is very preliminary but it seems like it can't hurt.
I've been told by a close friend that's an ER doc and my SIL, who's a Nurse Practitioner, that Motrin and Aleve is not effective and may in fact make the virus symptoms even worse.
Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud:
No offense but I'll take Dr. Fauci's advice over yours.
Fauci said he does not anticipate a situation where a national shutdown will be necessary.
That's the other problem - there's literally hours of conversation from Fauci (who has been an invaluable source of information throughout this) - but it's being cut apart piecemeal to be put to use by both sides to their own ends.
This is just 6 minutes of almost literally more information than one can actually listen to, but it illustrates my point a bit:
“It’s certainly going to get worse before it gets better.” NIH official Dr. Anthony Fauci says it could be up to “eight weeks or more” of shutdowns and working from home as COVID-19 cases continue to surge in the U.S. https://t.co/OSp7OkbziNpic.twitter.com/bS1IQiAy58
You can literally cull out whatever message from this 6 minute interview as you want to cull. You can pull this '6-8 weeks' line as GMA did on their header and disregard the 'i hope it will be shorter' line. You can cite the 'i think we should proportionally shut down schools' section or note that he also says he doesn't anticipate a national shutdown.
I would absolutely encourage people to listen to Fauci over me - duh. The guy's great. But actually listen to damn near everything he says. He's not really an alarmist, nor does he claim to know what's actually going to happen. And again, he's using that same curve - the curve that REQUIRES acquired immunity - in his presentation so again, I think it's hard to say he's advocating for any kind of national halt.
So how is 'Dr. Fauci's advice' clearly in opposition to anything I've said? [Reply]
Originally Posted by oaklandhater:
wonder if disney will do the same with onward.
Onward is already in theaters. I could see them moving up the release date for SVOD, Digital and Disney+ but I doubt they make the jump while it's still in theaters. [Reply]
My brother (who has had symptoms for the past few days) finally agreed to call the doctor. Doctor tells him to come in and get swabbed for the flu. His flu test is negative. Doctor tells him to go home and he will put him in touch with the state health board or whatever.
They call him. He lists his symptoms and then goes on to inform them that he was in NYC 10 days ago for work (I knew he had been traveling, but did not know to where...hadn't seen him in a couple weeks.) So he says they then get somewhat alarmed and tell him he needs to get tested.
They tell him someone from their team will call him back within the hour and tell him where to get tested.
Someone from the CDC, not the State, calls him back to inform him that they don't have enough tests in JoCo for him to be tested. That the test kits available are for high risk individuals.
And now the best part. His doctor's office will not allow them to come back in for a follow up or normal appointment because he and his household probably have this shit.
I'm not a doomsday prepper. I am not a conspiracy theorist.
But this, boys and girls, is SUPER FUCKED.
Is definitely an unfortunate situation. I cant really blame the clinic either. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Kiimosabi:
You have to be living under a rock to think this.
Then again I guess we all are right now. I'm not trying to be rude but the lack of testing is the biggest problem.
I don't see how this is the case, testing or no testing, social distancing is the key. It's not like treatment for this is different than other flu you should self isolate if you are sick with any flu. [Reply]
Originally Posted by dirk digler:
I think what you are suggesting was what the UK was going to do but I think they just reversed course.
Also there has been confirmed cases where a person had it, got better, and then later got re-infected.
There has been some really promising info the last day or so about vaccine's\cure's for this and some are starting human testing very soon. If get it I want the malaria (chloroquine)\HIV cocktail.
Yeah, I think there have been 2 confirmed cases of re-infection. Chicken Pox does the same thing. Acquired immunity isn't 100% effective, obviously. Never has been for any virus anywhere.
Again I guess I just have to ask - if you're not on board with the possibility of acquired immunity being effective long-term, is your solution ultimately a vaccine or bust? And given that most people seem to think that a vaccine is probably still a year out, are you really advocating for a 12 month shutdown of the nation to prevent spread while we figure it out?
From every one of these simulations, the biggest gun in our arsenal IS acquired immunity. If that's not a thing that happens, NONE of this matters. You can't 'flatten the curve' because the eligible population never reduces. That's what I think most people that note that curve seem to be missing. the curve trickles away BECAUSE of acquired immunity so if you want to operate in a world where we can't rely on it, then just chuck all this shit out the window because none of those curves are relevant.
So again - there's an admittedly fine line to walk here. But I don't think the answer is to just keep ratcheting in one direction. In the end you'll go back to where we started. [Reply]
