Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
my kids werent going anyway, i made that decision when i heard the super.'s message yesterday patting himself on the back for moving to 4 day weeks because it allowed them to clean really well on mondays...
i decided right then either he was a fucking idiot or he thinks everyone else is and i dont trust him with the safety of my family. [Reply]
My brother (who has had symptoms for the past few days) finally agreed to call the doctor. Doctor tells him to come in and get swabbed for the flu. His flu test is negative. Doctor tells him to go home and he will put him in touch with the state health board or whatever.
They call him. He lists his symptoms and then goes on to inform them that he was in NYC 10 days ago for work (I knew he had been traveling, but did not know to where...hadn't seen him in a couple weeks.) So he says they then get somewhat alarmed and tell him he needs to get tested.
They tell him someone from their team will call him back within the hour and tell him where to get tested.
Someone from the CDC, not the State, calls him back to inform him that they don't have enough tests in JoCo for him to be tested. That the test kits available are for high risk individuals.
And now the best part. His doctor's office will not allow them to come back in for a follow up or normal appointment because he and his household probably have this shit.
I'm not a doomsday prepper. I am not a conspiracy theorist.
But this, boys and girls, is SUPER FUCKED. [Reply]
This morning I tested positive for Covid 19. I feel ok, I have no symptoms so far but have been isolated since I found out about my possible exposure to the virus. Stay home people and be pragmatic. I will keep you updated on how I’m doing 👊🏾👊🏾 No panic. pic.twitter.com/Lg7HVMZglZ
Originally Posted by petegz28:
I just ran some numbers and right now we are on pace to be about 1670 deaths below Italy if we maintain and reach the number of cases they have.
We are testing people with symptoms. Testing you now means dick if you're negative. You walk outside and talk to someone who has it and now we wasted a test on you and will eventually have to do another one.
We are not. In general we are testing people with symptoms who meet specific criteria, like recent travel to a hotspot country or contact with someone else who tested positive. We are just now getting into the drive thru testing and things like that. But the virus is already here and spreading. [Reply]
Originally Posted by SAUTO:
no schools here until at least april 1
my kids werent going anyway, i made that decision when i heard the super.'s message yesterday patting himself on the back for moving to 4 day weeks because it allowed them to clean really well on mondays...
i decided right then either he was a fucking idiot or he thinks everyone else is and i dont trust him with the safety of my family.
My kids started their Online Schooling. All of the kids are in their "classrooms" for the middle school while the elementary schools are working with programs like Dreambox in addition to their regular assignments, which are turned in via email.
Both kids are enjoying it and FaceTiming friends on their breaks.
We'll see how they feel about it in a few months... [Reply]
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
II think the 'do nothing' crowd has largely evaporated but I worry the 'lock it down' crowd is going to do just as much damage if we don't recognize that at some point the drive to be 'more concerned' than the last guy who suggested something is just going to prolong the inevitable and in all likelihood permanently scar the nation that emerges. As a nation we have to keep moving forward to get through this. Keeping everyone locked in their houses for a month or longer won't do it.
I suspect this will do nothing but convince everyone that I'm an idiot, but such is life.
No offense but I'll take Dr. Fauci's advice over yours. [Reply]
Originally Posted by suzzer99:
Here's what I'm wondering, assuming this stuff coming out that suggests asymptomatic people are actually the most contagious is true - what if we all just wore masks all the time in public until this is over? Doesn’t have to be N95, just the cheapy surgical ones. Govt could set up stations and hand them out.
Obviously it’s not going to stop everything from getting out - but if it catches the droplets that could make a big difference.
I'm really starting to think masks are the key, assuming people are contagious when they don't even feel sick, which is looking likely. Everyone already wears masks in Vietnam because of the pollution and they've hardly had any problems.
Just look at the contagion curves of the Asian countries. They're all wearing masks.
Again, a country of 96 million that borders China and trades more with China than any other country went 22 straight days without a new case of C-19 infection.
But when Strongside presents a real world example like this - it’s clear we have to have a stoppage until we can ****ing test the people in this country to see what we’re working with.
To steal a military analogy, if we proceed business as usual and try to “shoot our way out” - we’d be like Robert E. Lee deciding to shoot our way out from the bottom of a hill at Gettysburg, a battle which ultimately swung the war to the North,
We need to wait for a better vantage point. My hope is that we can find an antiviral that is somewhat effective, give widespread testing to folks, and then shoot our way out from there. [Reply]
When asked how long this (#COVID19) could last, President Trump says, from what he's been told, the reality of dealing with coronavirus could last until July or August.
