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Now that the full 11-minute recording of Chiefs wide receiver Tyreek Hill and his now former fiancee, Crystal Espinal, talking about violence in their relationship has been aired, many fans are saying wow, this changes everything.
It does? That Hill, who didn’t know Espinal was taping him, denies ever hitting her or their son in what he thought was a private conversation is neither surprising nor exculpatory.
Abusers typically tell not only the police but friends, family, therapists, priests and even themselves they’ve never done anything wrong.
And if anything, the fact that Hill now says he didn’t hit punch or choke Espinal in 2014 makes him look worse rather than better. He pleaded guilty to those charges, publicly apologized, went through extensive therapy and declared himself reformed after probation. If he’s now back to saying that none of this ever happened, that’s not just a lie but a worrying one.
“I didn’t touch you in 2014,” he says on the tape. “And put that on everything I love, bro. That’s the real truth.”
That Espinal isn’t screaming at him that no, it’s not the truth, real or otherwise, is taken by some supporters as proof that he is innocent.
But why a woman who has been injured by him before and he’s threatening to hurt again might not do that should be obvious.
When she instead repeatedly asks him where her bruises came from if he never hit her, he doesn’t answer because there isn’t an answer that he likes well enough to repeat.
On Thursday, Espinal filed a petition in Johnson County seeking a paternity test for their newborn twins. She has full custody of them — they live with her — and she is asking for child support and only supervised visits for Hill. Her lawyer in the matter is legal counsel for SAFEHOME, a Johnson County group that supports survivors of domestic violence.
The NFL, meanwhile, seems ready to let Hill off with a brief suspension because the legal case against him isn’t going anywhere, but these things are still true:
Hill’s son was removed from his home after a child abuse investigation was launched. The Johnson County district attorney said the 3-year-old child had been hurt, but he didn’t have enough proof to prosecute.
On the tape, we heard Hill threaten the mother of his children with physical violence: “You need to be scared of me, too, dumb bitch.” He berates and belittles, calls her “bro” and “bitch” and of course, claims she ruined his life.
Denial of all wrongdoing is so standard in abuse cases that just a look at Thursday’s Star provides other examples, including that of Scott Hacker, the now former Parkville police officer charged with domestic violence after allegedly shooting his gun inside his home, throwing the woman who called 911 onto the couch, grabbing her by the throat and blaming her for “ending his career” by calling for help. Both before and after the cops arrived, he said he hadn’t shot the gun or touched her. But oops: A security camera in the living room apparently recorded the assault.
What Espinal was trying to get was the audio equivalent of that video.
If the NFL lets Hill back on the field this season, it will send the message that making threats and showing you’ve learned nothing from probation is no real problem, as long as you can run fast enough. The help he needs is not more denial, but just the opposite.
To the rest of you who are intent on seeing Hill as the victim, KCTV as a villain for not immediately releasing the full tape, and Espinal as a “manipulator” for wanting evidence to back her up in court, we could suggest some reading on the well-researched subject of abuse. But why, when you seem to prefer not to know?
How amazing is it that this guy is so blinded by his agenda that he doesn't realize that this post hurts his position.
If the NFL was willing suspend Reed - a very good pass rusher for a well known squad with a marquee quarterback and recent Lombardi - without a pile of evidence, it's pretty !@#$ing apparent that they'd have suspended Hill if they had anything to work with.
In fact, it suggests pretty strongly that the bar Hill had to clear wasn't just 'not guilty' but rather 'strongly exonerated'.
If the NFL suspended Reed but not Hill, what the hell do you think that says about how that 8 hour hearing went?
But Rosen's too fucking dense to grasp that very simple conclusion. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
How amazing is it that this guy is so blinded by his agenda that he doesn't realize that this post hurts his position.
If the NFL was willing suspend Reed - a very good pass rusher for a well known squad with a marquee quarterback and recent Lombardi - without a pile of evidence, it's pretty !@#$ing apparent that they'd have suspended Hill if they had anything to work with.
In fact, it suggests pretty strongly that the bar Hill had to clear wasn't just 'not guilty' but rather 'strongly exonerated'.
If the NFL suspended Reed but not Hill, what the hell do you think that says about how that 8 hour hearing went?
But Rosen's too fucking dense to grasp that very simple conclusion.
Yeah, he doesn't seem very bright.
Oh, I just looked him up. He works at the Star. No wonder. I don't pay attention to those people any more since they're fake news. [Reply]
They just can't let it go....they all thought they had broke a huge story and were going to be hailed as great journalists and were all oh we got him...and boom the entire thing blows up in their stupid fucking faces.
They can't accept it, Brooke thought this was her new Mixon and Rosen is her lapdog...
If you want to make sure they suffer you need to create a webpage of their manipulation of the facts and continued assassination articles and responses.
Maybe a billboard or flyer.
But to hurt the star this needs to be done before the regular season. Get the citizens outraged.
Then the hurt will be during the stars chiefs edition when they print 10x the normal amount of papers and stand at intersections selling. Get the city to not buy any. Make it hurt. Besides lost revenue they will also eat coat of unused papers.
As for kctv5, people with ticket will still get it. Maybe make the broadcast free via internet through the site for preseason. Do not use another channel. Then sell to a different station next year. [Reply]
Rosen is from Seattle so he couldn't care less about the Chiefs. the KCStar is just a stepping stone to him and he saw a chance to fuck over KC with the Hill nonsense. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
How amazing is it that this guy is so blinded by his agenda that he doesn't realize that this post hurts his position.
If the NFL was willing suspend Reed - a very good pass rusher for a well known squad with a marquee quarterback and recent Lombardi - without a pile of evidence, it's pretty !@#$ing apparent that they'd have suspended Hill if they had anything to work with.
In fact, it suggests pretty strongly that the bar Hill had to clear wasn't just 'not guilty' but rather 'strongly exonerated'.
If the NFL suspended Reed but not Hill, what the hell do you think that says about how that 8 hour hearing went?
But Rosen's too ****ing dense to grasp that very simple conclusion.
I am going to keep saying this because it needs to keep being said....
The NFL's Conduct policy is very clear there must be clear evidence of a violation for there to be punishment.
Obviously there was no evidence Hill had violated the policy therefore they could not punish him. Obviously they found evidence Reed did violate the policy.
The system isn't as willy nilly as people believe and Goodell uses 3rd party investigators to give him the info he needs to make decisions. [Reply]
Originally Posted by TravelingChiefs:
Rosen is from Seattle so he couldn't care less about the Chiefs. the KCStar is just a stepping stone to him and he saw a chance to **** over KC with the Hill nonsense.
After looking into her track record, it appears that Lisa Friel is the kind of woman who would not hesitate to cut an abuser's nuts off with a dull butter knife.
If she recommended "no suspension", you can be pretty sure that there was no evidence.
Originally Posted by FAX:
After looking into her track record, it appears that Lisa Friel is the kind of woman who would not hesitate to cut an abuser's nuts off with a dull butter knife.
If she recommended "no suspension", you can be pretty sure that there was no evidence.
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
How amazing is it that this guy is so blinded by his agenda that he doesn't realize that this post hurts his position.
If the NFL was willing suspend Reed - a very good pass rusher for a well known squad with a marquee quarterback and recent Lombardi - without a pile of evidence, it's pretty !@#$ing apparent that they'd have suspended Hill if they had anything to work with.
In fact, it suggests pretty strongly that the bar Hill had to clear wasn't just 'not guilty' but rather 'strongly exonerated'.
If the NFL suspended Reed but not Hill, what the hell do you think that says about how that 8 hour hearing went?
But Rosen's too fucking dense to grasp that very simple conclusion.
Originally Posted by FAX:
After looking into her track record, it appears that Lisa Friel is the kind of woman who would not hesitate to cut an abuser's nuts off with a dull butter knife.
If she recommended "no suspension", you can be pretty sure that there was no evidence.
