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Nzoner's Game Room>Eric Berry has a Haglund’s deformity on his heel
DaFace 01:06 PM 09-29-2018
Yes, it's in the other thread. Bite me.

https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2018/...ty-on-his-heel

REPORT: Eric Berry has a Haglund’s deformity on his heel
New information on Berry’s sore heel injury emerged on Saturday.

By Pete Sweeney Sep 29, 2018, 1:15pm CDT

Eric Berry has not practiced or played for the Kansas City Chiefs since August 11 in St. Joseph, Missouri, because of what the team has described as a “sore heel.”

The last we heard from the Chiefs athletic training staff was in early September, when head athletic trainer Rick Burkholder described the injury as “literally day to day.”

More information on Berry’s injury emerged Saturday morning, via NFL Network’s Mike Garafolo:

Mike Garafolo: “My understanding, and I’ve spoken to people familiar with his injury situation. He’s got what’s called a Haglund’s deformity in that Achilles. That’s a bone spur that basically digs into the Achilles. Shaun O’ Hara, our colleague at NFL Network, he had it. I spoke to him this week. He said it is extremely painful. He actually used a more colorful word that I won’t use here. It’s just something that continues to irritate the area. Some guys have been able to play with it—you get a shoe here or there, you can adjust … but that’s what’s going on. It’s going to be a pain management thing. It’s not like this thing will tear the Achilles necessarily. A lot of these cases don’t result in a tear, but that’s why with Berry right now, he has not played, and they’ve been doing OK. That’s going to allow them a little bit more patience with Berry, but it is extremely painful.”

This provides a little more clarity than Berry’s injury simply being a “sore heel,” which is good, but what’s bad is there still seems to be no timetable. Remember, Berry missed nearly the entirety of the 2017 season due to a ruptured Achilles on the other leg.

Chiefs head coach Andy Reid was mum on the injury when asked about it Saturday afternoon after the Chiefs’ final practice of the week.

Berry is officially ruled doubtful heading into the Monday night game against the Denver Broncos.

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Here are the notes from our in-house medical expert, Aaron Borgmann:

A lot of talk today regarding something known as a Haglund’s deformity. It was reported by a media source that the player in question suffers from this condition. This discussion is not to confirm or deny that possibility, as I can only explain the available information that we have been given. To be clear, the team has not confirmed this diagnosis and I have no advance knowledge of the player’s current condition.

The simple explanation here that it is indeed a bone spur on the backside of someone’s heel. This is frequently known as a “pump bump” from the occurrence that it is often seen in women’s fashion from the shoes that they wear. However, incidence in football players is also common, sometimes referred to as “retrocalcaneal bursitis” as well.

The bone spur irritates the bursa (fluid-filled sac) that sits between the bone and the tendon or even the tendon itself directly. This can cause a great deal of inflammation and discomfort with any sort of dynamic ankle/foot movement, worse with pressure on the spot itself.

Having one in and of itself it not uncommon, but the degree to which it bothers someone is the issue. Depending upon demands of movement, these can range from debilitating to just a nuisance. Obviously, in football players, the degree of inflammation is what dictates the level of function.

These are diagnosed both visually and radiographically and it is a situation where if you see it and player complains of certain symptoms (pain with movement in that exact spot, swelling, redness) then you can be pretty sure that is what it is.

Treatment focuses on reduction of inflammation obviously directly over the spot. This can be done both topically and through systemic medication. Soft tissue lengthening in both the calf and bottom of the foot is also done to alleviate the issue from both sides – this is due to the fact that both the calf and plantar fascia connect to the calcaneus (heel bone) on either side.

Not to be forgotten is footwear modification and adjustment. Very rigid shoes can cause this irritation, and in some athletes, I would even cut the shoe in the heel to allow room for the bump. Other options include specialized padding and friction reduction methods. Heel lifts have been shown to be helpful in some.

For this condition, non-surgical intervention is preferred to reduce the inflammation as opposed to surgical due to the immobilization period.

If the inflammation can be reduced and the function level high, many players learned to adapt their daily routines to accommodate. They may have to put in a bit more time in order to get ready due to the condition’s demands but can nonetheless get by and still perform at a high level.
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Hammock Parties 11:19 AM 10-12-2018
It's a stupid line of thinking because every team has warts.

The Patriots have a QB who can't move and a defense full of slow lunchpail dudes.

The Steelers are a bunch of drama queens with defensive issues.

The Jags have Blake Bortles :-)

If the Chiefs truly didn't have a chance at the Super Bowl this year you could point to SOMEBODY in the AFC and say "see, here's why."

You can't do that.
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staylor26 11:21 AM 10-12-2018
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
This team is 1-4 with the 2003 defense.

They'd have beat the 49ers at home and that's it.
No doubt
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SAUTO 11:21 AM 10-12-2018
Originally Posted by Rausch:
Pat is, by far, the best QB to come out in the last 5 years.

There isn't one better.

PERIOD.

That said defense still does matter. Hill's and everyone else's speed will be slowed in december weather.

Speed, timing, grip on the field, everything is thrown off in bad weather...
didn't seem to slow us much last week
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RunKC 11:21 AM 10-12-2018
Originally Posted by htismaqe:
Then Hill gets hurt in week 3 and Watkins goes down in week 8 and we're all sitting around wishing they had gone all in in 2018.
I think the Chiefs draft another receiver with one of their 2nd’s or their 3rd. Plus Pringle showed a lot to effectively replace Conley IMO.

Sucks that Earl Thomas didn’t work out, but the Chiefs need to try to get someone like him anyway in FA.

Good news is that FA is very strong this year.
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Halfcan 11:21 AM 10-12-2018
Eric Berry has become a Haglund deformity on the salary cap.
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DJ's left nut 11:22 AM 10-12-2018
Originally Posted by htismaqe:
And with a few breaks the other way, he never repeats the season he's having now.

There's a difference between being proactive and being reckless. Going all in this year doesn't HAVE to be reckless. Passing on making any moves because "next year is our year" absolutely IS reckless, however.
"Going all in" is, by its definition, reckless. You realize what 'all in' means, yes? Pushing all your capital into the middle hoping for an immediate win.

Nobody said not to take some calculated moves to improve your odds at winning. But we have folks saying to give up a 1 and 2 for Landon Collins - yes, that's reckless as hell. And it's not because 'next year is our year' but rather because 'we'll have a chance to do this for the next TEN years if we play our cards right.'

Shit like "I'd give up our 1st and 2nd for Landon Collins" is complete lunacy and yes, it's reckless. Giving up a 2nd for Thomas would've been unreasonably risky, IMO. But if you can give up a some nominal draft capital for Bethea...okay, I'd consider that. I'm not going to get bent over in a sellers market or anything, but I'll listen.
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htismaqe 11:22 AM 10-12-2018
Originally Posted by RunKC:
I think the Chiefs draft another receiver with one of their 2nd’s or their 3rd. Plus Pringle showed a lot to effectively replace Conley IMO.

Sucks that Earl Thomas didn’t work out, but the Chiefs need to try to get someone like him anyway in FA.

Good news is that FA is very strong this year.
They still need to do more NOW. I don't want to talk about free agency, I want to talk about winning a Super Bowl.
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Chiefspants 11:24 AM 10-12-2018
Originally Posted by Hammock Parties:
It's a stupid line of thinking because every team has warts.

The Patriots have a QB who can't move and a defense full of slow lunchpail dudes.

The Steelers are a bunch of drama queens with defensive issues.

The Jags have Blake Bortles :-)

If the Chiefs truly didn't have a chance at the Super Bowl this year you could point to SOMEBODY in the AFC and say "see, here's why."

You can't do that.
It honestly reminds me of the Royals in 2015. Everyone said that a combination of our rotation + the powerhouse NL teams would eventually lead to our demise. The thing was, there was no AL frontrunner that year. So the Royals went for broke and added Cueto and Zobrist and the rest is history.

The Chiefs are so, so close to being able to do the same thing.
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htismaqe 11:25 AM 10-12-2018
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
"Going all in" is, by its definition, reckless. You realize what 'all in' means, yes? Pushing all your capital into the middle hoping for an immediate win.

Nobody said not to take some calculated moves to improve your odds at winning. But we have folks saying to give up a 1 and 2 for Landon Collins - yes, that's reckless as hell. And it's not because 'next year is our year' but rather because 'we'll have a chance to do this for the next TEN years if we play our cards right.'

Shit like "I'd give up our 1st and 2nd for Landon Collins" is complete lunacy and yes, it's reckless. Giving up a 2nd for Thomas would've been unreasonably risky, IMO. But if you can give up a some nominal draft capital for Bethea...okay, I'd consider that. I'm not going to get bent over in a sellers market or anything, but I'll listen.
We have about $7M in cap space, with like $21M automatically coming in next year. We could go "all in" against the cap right now and be fine going into next year because we'll have more capital.

And while giving up a 1 AND a 2 I would consider reckless, sure, giving up a 2nd for Earl Thomas wouldn't have been. Our 2nd round picks have been pretty meh overall. I'd much rather have a playmaker right now than a 2nd round pick that likely won't contribute until 2022.
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dirk digler 11:28 AM 10-12-2018
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
We also got one sack (on a give up drive to end the 1st half) and forced no turnovers while committing a brutal fumble and missing a field goal.

Why? Because our best pass rusher in that game was probably R-Kal Truluck. I think in citing that team, people are forgetting just how un-fucking-believably bad that defense was.

That team had nobody approaching the level of Justin Houston. It had nobody approaching the level of Dee Ford or Chris Jones. The best player on that defense was probably the decaying husk of Jerome Woods. Dexter McCleon was that squad's #1 corner (sadly, he was probably better than Warfield).

You can try to draw parallels if you'd like, but they don't really work. This defense is simply better than that one and by a fair amount. Without Houston it gets closer but that D still doesn't have the number of guys that can actually make an impact that this one does.

That team didn't force turnovers. It didn't get to the quarterback. It didn't get teams off the field on 3rd down. That defense did NOTHING well. This team isn't a great defensive unit and it certainly isn't anything approaching assignment sound. But it does have strengths. It does have things it can do effectively.

Put this defense on that 2003 squad and they win. I think they win easily, in fact. This defense isn't anything approaching that abortion.

In fairness to the 03 defense they did force turnovers and were ranked 4th in the league with 37. But just like the 95 and 97 defenses in the playoffs they didn't get them and lost. Defenses that have to depend on turnovers are the shitty ones IMO.
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Direckshun 11:28 AM 10-12-2018
Can we at least elucidate what is most likely happening right now?

Berry is week-to-week until, basically, the exact moment the Chiefs need to trot him out and prepare him for the playoffs. The longer he waits to return, the less his bone spurs will bother him. The time for surgery and him to be 100% for the playoffs has probably passed.

They were being cautious with him early this season, but the Chiefs kept winning. They saw little need to rush him back so long as the team keeps surviving his absence.

Same thing with this game in New England -- if the Chiefs win, they still control the AFC, though they'd lose a tie-breaker with the Pats. The schedule gets easier for quite some time and we won't need Berry unless we start dropping games.
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Imon Yourside 11:29 AM 10-12-2018
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
We also got one sack (on a give up drive to end the 1st half) and forced no turnovers while committing a brutal fumble and missing a field goal.

Why? Because our best pass rusher in that game was probably R-Kal Truluck. I think in citing that team, people are forgetting just how un-****ing-believably bad that defense was.

That team had nobody approaching the level of Justin Houston. It had nobody approaching the level of Dee Ford or Chris Jones. The best player on that defense was probably the decaying husk of Jerome Woods. Dexter McCleon was that squad's #1 corner (sadly, he was probably better than Warfield).

You can try to draw parallels if you'd like, but they don't really work. This defense is simply better than that one and by a fair amount. Without Houston it gets closer but that D still doesn't have the number of guys that can actually make an impact that this one does.

That team didn't force turnovers. It didn't get to the quarterback. It didn't get teams off the field on 3rd down. That defense did NOTHING well. This team isn't a great defensive unit and it certainly isn't anything approaching assignment sound. But it does have strengths. It does have things it can do effectively.

Put this defense on that 2003 squad and they win. I think they win easily, in fact. This defense isn't anything approaching that abortion.
No i rewatched it yesterday and that Defense was leaps and bounds worse than the one we have now. They couldn't stop anything, they literally had zero stops it was crap through a goose. I'm not joking when I say this it literally looked like Frank Zombo was playing all 11 positions on defense.
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Sassy Squatch 11:30 AM 10-12-2018
Originally Posted by htismaqe:
We have about $7M in cap space, with like $21M automatically coming in next year. We could go "all in" against the cap right now and be fine going into next year because we'll have more capital.

And while giving up a 1 AND a 2 I would consider reckless, sure, giving up a 2nd for Earl Thomas wouldn't have been. Our 2nd round picks have been pretty meh overall. I'd much rather have a playmaker right now than a 2nd round pick that likely won't contribute until 2022.
Why does that even matter now? Seattle fucked that up. Move on.
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Halfcan 11:31 AM 10-12-2018
Remember that one play Berry made against the Falcons- seems forever ago.
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htismaqe 11:32 AM 10-12-2018
Originally Posted by Superturtle:
Why does that even matter now? Seattle fucked that up. Move on.
There's other guys out there that are potentially available.
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